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17 Feb 2014, 12:49 pm

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a good perspective on the situation
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The Jews learned well from the Nazis.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm

I always love these videos of air raid sirens blaring in Israel, and everybody going on about their business as usual. Yeah the Palestinians are such a great threat. You can see how terrorized they are. :roll:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRqKOlP8BmU[/youtube]



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17 Feb 2014, 1:15 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What about this?


http://www.enca.com/africa/bomb-rips-th ... -bus-egypt


That's....Egypt.

Yeah...can you explain it?


Right, so you do realize that Egypt is actually not the same country as Israel. Please tell me you do.

EDIT: Oh, yes, and I can explain it. Supporters of Islamic theocrat Mohammad Morsi are committing acts of terrorism in retaliation for the military deposing their man.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:15 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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If the Arabs had their way they'd literally drive ALL of the Israelis right into the Mediterranean Sea.


Sweet racism bro.

And that's your answer to life's problems? I don't know what country you are in. If it's the US, the only reason the Native Europeans don't drive the whites into the sea is the whites have greater military might. So you see why it becomes so important?


Attributing a genocidal tendency to an entire race is racist, yes.

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The death camps were death camps. People were sent there to be exterminated. Not all concentration camps are death camps but the death camps are not places to hold others, they are places to kill them.


Yes, and whenever Hamas or Israel breaks a ceasefire what happens? The people in the small, fenced-in enclosure get bombed indiscriminately. There's no "precision strikes" involved. A huge number of the victims are women, children, and United Nations aid assets.

Sorry, I meant Native Americans, not Native Europeans.

About the cease fire...when was the last time there were any air strikes on Gaza?


Do you have any source to support your claim that the Native Americans of today have any desire to drive the 'whites' into the sea? And would do so if it wasn't for the U.S having a military which by the way I doubt is entirely native free.


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17 Feb 2014, 1:25 pm

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The sad reality is...the past is the past and you have to live in the present and try to build a future. Those Arabs need to go back to their countries and let Israel be. It won't be disappearing because of them and if they keep up the cycle of violence, it won't help them. If they cooperated, they would be a lot better off.
Like in the US, you don't see Native Americans blowing up random buses to get their way and if they did you can bet the government would go Waco on them. It's just a fact of life. If you cooperate and avoid violence, things get better. If you keep blowing up random buses, things get worse. That's just how life is. The ones with the best weapons always have the advantage. Fighting a guerilla war is a pointless waste of life.


I doubt if a native american terrorist group formed the government would decide to start bombing reservations and kill civilians in response. Also the Arabs are not new to that area....many where born there so how do they 'go back to their countries?' Also it would seem its the Palestinian civilians who have to pay and that is not right. I wonder how the number of israelies killed by palestinian terrorists, compares to the number of palestinian civilians who have been killed by Israel? In the past I don't know 10 years.


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17 Feb 2014, 1:33 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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If Israel sure looks like Nazi Germany where are the death camps?


The whole Gaza strip works pretty well whenever one is needed.

First, do you know what a death camp is?


do you know what a comparison is?

They don't compare.


Both result in the death of civilians....sure they are far from the same thing, but I believe the point of 'the gaza strip works pretty well.' was that Israel has been known to kill multiple civilians in that area so in that sense it compares because its both killing of civilians. I suppose the gaza strip compares better to the ghettos that existed before the death camps though.


http://www.enca.com/africa/bomb-rips-th ... -bus-egypt

Imagine this happening in your town everyday or every other. One after the other death tolls climbing public pressures to do something about it. That's what they face over there. It's crazy.
Don't you realize how many Native Americans were displaced in this country? Do you see their ancestors behaving this way here? What you suggest if they did?


The natives here aren't being heavily oppressed and facing bombings on their homes killing multiple civilians whenever one of them commits violence. I don't see how the way natives here live compares to the way Palestinians have to live under Israeli oppression. And yes I am quite aware of what happened to the natives in the U.S in the past.

Also your video is a bus being blown up in egypt...what does that have to do with the palestine Israel conflict. Do you have an example of the Israelies dealing with this every other day?


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17 Feb 2014, 1:37 pm

Here's another example of Hamas praising an attempted terrorist attack:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinia ... us-attack/

This is clearly not the path to a "two state solution."



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17 Feb 2014, 1:41 pm

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I know this doesn't sound right but the atomic bombs may have saved millions of lives in Japan. Two alternatives were being considered by US on Japan if they did not use the atomic bomb: blockade, which would have resulted in mass famine, and invasion, which would have caused millions of casualties. The atomic bomb resulted in a couple hundred thousand (mostly civilian) casualties. I think many more Japanese civilians would have died if the US had gone for one of the other options. So, as a matter of fact, the a-bombs did save millions of lives. It is really sad that humanity gets to that point but we have to admit that in terms of numbers, it would likely have been much worse had the atom bombs not been used.

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The also atom bombed heavily populated cities....twice no less, because once wasn't even a little bit overkill.


I just can't see justification for killing a couple hundred thousand civilians....and I suppose I don't see the need to have done it twice. And how do they know those other options would have resulted in millions of causalities? And I can think of a few other ideas, but none of them would have been done at the time I am sure considering how japanese americans where being treated at the time.


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17 Feb 2014, 1:44 pm

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The sad reality is...the past is the past and you have to live in the present and try to build a future. Those Arabs need to go back to their countries and let Israel be. It won't be disappearing because of them and if they keep up the cycle of violence, it won't help them. If they cooperated, they would be a lot better off.
Like in the US, you don't see Native Americans blowing up random buses to get their way and if they did you can bet the government would go Waco on them. It's just a fact of life. If you cooperate and avoid violence, things get better. If you keep blowing up random buses, things get worse. That's just how life is. The ones with the best weapons always have the advantage. Fighting a guerilla war is a pointless waste of life.


I doubt if a native american terrorist group formed the government would decide to start bombing reservations and kill civilians in response. Also the Arabs are not new to that area....many where born there so how do they 'go back to their countries?' Also it would seem its the Palestinian civilians who have to pay and that is not right. I wonder how the number of israelies killed by palestinian terrorists, compares to the number of palestinian civilians who have been killed by Israel? In the past I don't know 10 years.

Some of them came from Egypt.
Anyway, if Native Americans continued a campaign of terror against the government for going on 60 years, what do you think our government would do, Sweetleaf?
Native Americans are aware enough to know it would be destructive and pointless. It is far better to focus on what is happening now, improve it as much as possible, and work on a happier future. There's only so much that can be done about the past. The Indians are not going to successfully petition the government and have lands in the southeast ceeded back to them. Because of this fact, they don't decide to go on a bombing campaign against the American people. Most of them say they are Americans and defend the country and if Native Americans can do it after what they have been through, there's no excuse for anyone else. Native Americans should mentor these people in Gaza and they would be wise to listen and take their advice. It might help.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:47 pm

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I just can't see justification for killing a couple hundred thousand civilians....and I suppose I don't see the need to have done it twice. And how do they know those other options would have resulted in millions of causalities? And I can think of a few other ideas, but none of them would have been done at the time I am sure considering how japanese americans where being treated at the time.


The idea was to devastate the enemy. Completely wear them down and stop their resistance. In war, that is the aim. To completely devastate your enemy. It's them or you.

It was a choice between years of bitter fighting and millions of casualties (i.e. Operation Downfall) or the nuclear bomb.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:47 pm

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Here's another example of Hamas praising an attempted terrorist attack:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinia ... us-attack/

This is clearly not the path to a "two state solution."


Does this justify killing Palestinian civilians in retaliation?


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17 Feb 2014, 1:49 pm

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I just can't see justification for killing a couple hundred thousand civilians....and I suppose I don't see the need to have done it twice. And how do they know those other options would have resulted in millions of causalities? And I can think of a few other ideas, but none of them would have been done at the time I am sure considering how japanese americans where being treated at the time.


The idea was to devastate the enemy. Completely wear them down and stop their resistance. In war, that is the aim. To completely devastate your enemy. It's them or you.

It was a choice between years of bitter fighting and millions of casualties (i.e. Operation Downfall) or the nuclear bomb.


I am just wondering how people know there would have been millions of causulties if it wasn't for dropping not one but two atomic bombs? I am open to the idea that perhaps it seemed to be the only option at the time but for one I thought originally only one was supposed to be dropped so I wonder why two where needed. Also how do we know the figure of causulties if other options where used would be in the millions?


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17 Feb 2014, 1:50 pm

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Does this justify killing Palestinian civilians in retaliation?


They don't kill Palestinian civilians in retaliation intentionally (it occasionally happens that civilians get caught in the crossfire - but have you seen how obscenely difficult it is to avoid that happening in a place like Gaza? The Israeli forces frequently call off attacks if there are innocents that could be harmed). In the vast majority of cases, they get their men. And they are terrorists.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:54 pm

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Also how do we know the figure of causulties if other options where used would be in the millions?


Consider just how fanatical the Japanese were. And they had proved that throughout World War II due to their extreme, extreme brutality to everyone they conquered and captured. The Japanese population would have fought to the death for their Emperor.

It would have been a matter of national honour to defend their islands by any and all humanly possible ways necessary.

Again, the idea was to get them to stop. One may well have not sent a strong enough message.



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17 Feb 2014, 1:54 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The sad reality is...the past is the past and you have to live in the present and try to build a future. Those Arabs need to go back to their countries and let Israel be. It won't be disappearing because of them and if they keep up the cycle of violence, it won't help them. If they cooperated, they would be a lot better off.
Like in the US, you don't see Native Americans blowing up random buses to get their way and if they did you can bet the government would go Waco on them. It's just a fact of life. If you cooperate and avoid violence, things get better. If you keep blowing up random buses, things get worse. That's just how life is. The ones with the best weapons always have the advantage. Fighting a guerilla war is a pointless waste of life.


I doubt if a native american terrorist group formed the government would decide to start bombing reservations and kill civilians in response. Also the Arabs are not new to that area....many where born there so how do they 'go back to their countries?' Also it would seem its the Palestinian civilians who have to pay and that is not right. I wonder how the number of israelies killed by palestinian terrorists, compares to the number of palestinian civilians who have been killed by Israel? In the past I don't know 10 years.

Some of them came from Egypt.
Anyway, if Native Americans continued a campaign of terror against the government for going on 60 years, what do you think our government would do, Sweetleaf?

Native Americans are aware enough to know it would be destructive and pointless. It is far better to focus on what is happening now, improve it as much as possible, and work on a happier future. There's only so much that can be done about the past. The Indians are not going to successfully petition the government and have lands in the southeast ceeded back to them. Because of this fact, they don't decide to go on a bombing campaign against the American people. Most of them say they are Americans and defend the country and if Native Americans can do it after what they have been through, there's no excuse for anyone else. Native Americans should mentor these people in Gaza and they would be wise to listen and take their advice. It might help.


Of course its best to focus on now and improve it as much as possible....doesn't seem the Israeli Government or Hamas are doing that. Also I doubt the only thing holding back natives from trying to wage war against the whites is that they would then face military action from the U.S....you make it sound as though they all would try to wage war on whites if given the change which I really don't think is the case.

Also once again the natives are not treated like the civilians in gaza.


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17 Feb 2014, 1:54 pm

Why do we send Israel all that money?So we can use their air strips in case we want to take some oil from the neighboring countries?
And if anyone converted to Judaism,could they move there?That seems stupid,if I become Catholic,can I go squat in Rome?They should have to prove by DNA that their families were from that region.
Since my ancestors were from Ulster I guess I should be able to go over there and take over Thomas81's house.I will get the bigger section and move my family in.Thomas will have to go through a checkpoint to use his bathroom.He will have to show ID to even get in the house,and be frisked.Then I'll go out in the yard and cut down his fruit trees.
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If you took Palestinian and Israeli toddlers and turned them lose on the playground,they would play together.They don't know to hate each other yet.These are the real victims.


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