i am legitimately scared about trump becoming president

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Another politics party would be nice, but it isn't going to happen until we change the constitution to remove the first past the post elections.

I guess I really just don't understand where this fear of losing gun rights is coming from. I've never seen anyone show me any credible threat to Americans right to bear arms. And every conversation I see about any gun regulation just seems to devolve into "the government is going to take everyone's guns." It just isn't going to happen. We don't have the political willpower, the manpower or any public desire to do so. And I honestly find it incredible that someone would vote for a person that they are in 90 percent disagreement with over this issue.

I think if conservatives and libertarians would drop this whole "gun ban" idea (it seems as they're the only ones wo bring this up), we could have a discussion that actually leads to reasonable laws and regulations.

I hope that makes sense. I'm having a hard time getting my thoughts written down today.

I said I don't know all the terminology that well, and I never suggested they should ban semi autos, if the military grade high power weapons or whatever aren't available to civilians in the first place then I suppose I am not sure what guns exactly people are calling to have banned...if the military grade ones civilians have no buisiness with are already not available.

And what words do I not know the meaning of? I have seen it expressed by some right wingers that there should not be any regulations....but I never said they all think that. My point was just like there are people on the left that are more extreme and want full out banning of guns, there are some right wingers who are just as ridiculous in their insistence that there be no regulations. Maybe you just didn't understand my point....

Also how is it meaningless to express I agree with regulations against regular citizens owning very powerful weapons/guns that some military training is needed to operate, but not less extreme guns. Sorry I don't have all the proper terminology, I guess since I am not in the exclusive club of people who own guns I have no business expressing that I think people have the right to own guns....or trying to describe what kind of regulations I support as to what kinds I don't. God forbid people who don't own guns pay any attention to this issue, defend that right or state what regulations they think are constitutional. You're response is moot....

That's just Dox's way of making himself feel superior. People who pull that sort of stunt usually have an inferiority complex.

No the new law of the land under Obama is guilty til proven innocent and even after still guilty.

This new order removes due process. Non of the 75,000 people a year will have their due process. They won't even be told they'll rights were removed.meither cops will show up at their door or when they go to buy a gun their be declined and reported. The. They'll be real felons with jail time and all.

The ssa and their burocrats are not a court nor a judge. Being diagnosed with a disorder doesn't mean you incompetent or danger to others. And that is exactly what Obama is doing. "You have _____ disorder, well no guns for you. Guilty. If you disagree you can spend years in the court system and thousands of dollars trying to get it changed. Good luck with that on 700 dollars a month.

I'm sorry, I just don't buy that.

The constitution has nothing to do with political parties. There's already tons of parties they just don't get enough people. All it takes is people leaving the democrats to join another party.

Obama is going to take 75,000 people guns away a year. Thousands of veterans lose their guns every year. Thousands more people,in New York, Connecticut and California.
People are getting guns taken away with very f*****g day. So take your lies and bulshit elsewhere, if just one person has their guns tsken away who shouldn't then the line is crossed. FYI millions of people own simi auto guns, so if you take away simiauto guns but not all their guns m let's see that's taking away their guns. If I steal your money but leave u 1 dollar does that mean I didn't steal your money? Of course not so if you take half my guns you took my guns. It's not rocket science. Taking any guns from anyone is taking their guns it's f*****g simple.

So if you agreed 90% with a person running but they also want to make all non whites slaves again, you'd vote for them still? I doubt that, well to gun owners the bill of rights is the single most important thing to us. So whyypu not owning guns so don't care about guns rights as if they banned all guns tomorrow you'd never know or car. 100 million Americans would creaking and do creaking care. Why should we give a s**t s out your right and stuff you feel important if you won't about ours?!?!?!?
If you care about your rights I suggest you start giving s s**t about others rights too. We all live on this planet together.

Omfg. Democrats re the one always talking about gun bans you biases blind people. If democrats just shut the f**k up the republicans would have nothing to talk about, they only react to things democrats say and want to do. How can you all be so creaking blind.
It's almost as if You'd line up to walk off a cliff if democrats said it was a good idea.

Go back to pre 2013 republicans and gun owners were quiet s out guns because democrats and liberals were too afraid after their but kicking, look it happen again, any time democrats go on a gun control March they loose congress, get the message? Americans like their guns hands off you democrats. You might very well hand trump the presidency over this, is gun control so important to the left they'd give republicans control over congress and the president?

But thanks because of you anti gunners we got lots of pro gun stuff through , lots of states have made silencers legal to hunt with, bunch more have concealed carry in fact almost all states have it now. You woke up the sleeping gun owners. Most of who are only politically active when their rights are under attack, and my golly there's a lot more now due to people running out to buy guns for th first time. Now they have guns they'll want to keep them so more pro gun supporters thanks.

Every gun control thing democrats try backfires on them and has the opposite reaction they wanted. They want less guns but have only caused way way more guns to be sold. You'd think they'd learn, but nope.

And that's what Obama has to do orders to try to attack us. I honestly think a republican will get elected now so many people on left and right are freaking tired of democrats. Here to 8 more years of republican control then 8 years of hell under democrats after.

It's a pattern people should really wake up to.

of course not you're blindly in love with Obama . You wouldn't buy it if he walked up and slapped you in the face, your just like a wife who's husband beats her but she Denies it and says she's great, she just fell down some stairs repeatedly.

Thanks for supporting your fellow aspies . !not!

Ok, I don't even know how to respond to that

There is just so much to unpack there that I just don't know what to say. I'll just say that our sources of information as well as our worldviews differ and it has had a profound effect on this conversation.

One more thing. I'm not anti-gun, I just think it's insane to have zero regulations on guns. It's weird to me that whenever I say that I'm accused of being anti gun.

There aren't zero regulations on guns, there's thousands of regulations on guns. We don't need anymore is all people are saying. Some need repealed. The NFA makes no logical sense and isn't based on reality. A 15" rifle isn't more deadly then a 16" rifle.

If the progressives intent is take away guns they are stupid and overly fearful because there will not be civil war. People for the most part gave in to the survalience state without a fight. In any hypothectical dictotorial taking away of guns IMHO there will be a lot of noise and terrorism but that's it. Our new national saying should be "These colors always run" . The only chance I could be wrong is if part of the military sides with the rebels, but I just can't envision that. The rebels will have a bunch of ex military no doubt but they would going against people much younger firing the newest weapons from a computer

While i am Canadian & dont really follow much of recent american politics, i can safely say that there was already something bad about him just the time he started saying he was going to build a wall against immigrants.

Obama tries to do something, and gets stopped every time. It is an election year.

There has been some slippery slope. It used to be that it took a conviction of a Felony or being sent to a mental hospital by a Judge, to forbid gun ownership.

Later a Domestic Disturbance could get all your guns confiscated without a conviction.

As I understand Social Security, those in institutions, Group Homes, have a protective payee, and that is who they seem to be going after. People who cannot fight back. There is no evidence that people in group homes buy guns to go on killing rampages.

There are those who will defend the Second Amendment, but only after something happens.

Several of our recent shooters passed a background check, when they should have not.

This is a case of lots of people being dead because the Supreme Right and Power of Government, screwed up big time. When they do that you cannot sue them to get your life back.

This, more people dead due to failed background checks. It makes Government look bad.

As for the dangers of semi automatic guns, almost all pistols are, revolvers are. Single shot pistols are rare, expensive, and are high end target models.

Deer rifles are more powerful than military rifles. While they lack the firepower of military rifles, full auto, hunting deer is a different game. We go for one shot, one quick humane kill. The military expends 10,000 rounds of everything they have to inflict one wound. That works out to 30,000 per kill. That is why war is such a great business.

For Elk and Moose, we use even larger ammo. The goal still being one shot, one quick humane kill.

Hunting Alaskan bears, most kills take five hits with a powerful rifle. In some cases nothing was found but half a shoe, maybe some shredded clothing. Bears know when they are being hunted, and will circle back and hunt you. They are very fast, weigh 800+ pounds, and being shot makes them mad.

Across the south wild hogs are everywhere, some grow huge, with eight inch tusks, they travel in groups and will attack humans. For them, knock down power, big bullets, and high fire power, something like a AK-47 with a thirty shot magazine is useful.

Hogs are also smart, hard to kill, will attack, will spread out and hunt you, and standing in the head high brush in a creek bottom at dusk, where you can hear them before see them, and you can only see twenty-five feet, an AK, a Ruger brush gun in .44 Magnum, seems small. Some hogs are huge, a thousand pounds.

If you have shot that big Buck, are gutting it, and then you hear the hogs, you are in for a fight. Bears will also come to a kill.

Around here we have alligators. Since they have been protected for fifty years, some have grown to fourteen foot, five hundred pounds, which has an eighteen inch mouth a foot wide, spiked top and bottom with teeth. They are always hungry. They lay in wait, along a trail, where with a sudden lunge, they are fast, they grab a mouthful and then spin, breaking the bones of what they grabbed. They also have a good sense of smell, and can stalk in slow motion. Dressing out a deer you have to keep watch. They can also rise six foot and more out of the water and have taken people from boats. There are thousands of them in all the swamps and rivers across the south.

They live and grow forever, and when white people first came, some ran twenty four foot and two tons. They might have been five hundred years old. They had never lost a fight, they fear nothing. A female on her nest will attack at full speed, she is hungry, as she has been guarding the nest.

Small gators eat everything that moves, big gators eat smaller gators, and anything they can catch, a deer, cow, person. I forgot the tail, a hundred pound armored whip, that can snap around to their head. Rising up on four legs, they can run faster than a human.

Also, we might spend hours getting to where we hunt, it is a long way back by foot or boat. We hunt in places no one goes. We hunt once a year, they hunt every day.

The Pythons in Florida are getting big enough to eat tourists, they hunt from the trees, dropping on their prey. Some are twenty footers, they grow bigger.

Some places have deer, and Gators, Hogs, and Pythons. Gators and Water Moccasins are into group sex, the snakes form a ball, hundreds, the gators gather and fill the water, then roll on the surface.

Hunting is a solo sport, even groups split up and spread out. We smell and make noise. Moving silently through the bottom land at first light, meeting life on its own terms.

Excess fire power is what you cannot carry. A rapid fire shotgun with slugs, a large caliber pistol, a skinning knife and a bit of rope. Food, water, a first aid kit, you are on your own.

I get that you don't know the terms, but what you just said is completely incoherent. What does "military grade" mean? More durable? How about "higher power"? Faster bullet? Bigger bullet?

Ken White recently addressed this very issue, may he can explain it to you better than I can:


https://popehat.com/2015/12/07/talking- ... bout-guns/

Just so you realize, you're the one saying they want to ban hounds, sorry, "hounds", and I'm the one shouting "WTF!".



Virtually any that are gun related?



Because you can't specify what you're talking about, that makes it meaningless, like someone trying to regulate unicorns. What guns would you call very powerful and/or requiring military training to operate? You don't know what you're talking about, so I can't figure out what you're trying to say; maybe you mean machineguns, which are already so heavily regulated they might as well be illegal, or maybe you mean my hunting rifle, as it's very powerful, there's no way for me to know.



Again, the problem isn't that you don't own any guns, the problem is that you're so ignorant about them that you can't express your opinion coherently, let alone form a reasonable one. You don't even know what kinds of guns you think should be restricted, why should I give an opinion like that any respect?

I agree with Sweetleaf, people should define what they would ban.

Pickup truck mounted antiaircraft guns, I would agree even though my ancestors owned canons that were state of the art at the time.

There are just limits, the largest of sporting rifles, elephant guns, .600 Nitro Express, will maybe stop a Cape Buffalo or a charging Bull Elephant, but are also known for shattering the gunstock, or the bones in the shooters shoulder.

An attack on the United States is possible. We can be taken down in an instant. Nukes on the sea floor hit the coasts with a two mile high wall of water, a couple of EMP blasts up high destroy every electronic circuit.

Nothing works, starvation starts in days. The goal would be to take the land without making it radioactive.

Expect all Public Employees to stop working when the paycheck stops. Expect them to be the main looters.

While the Founding Fathers thought in terms of the British, who did attack Washington in 1812, and burned the White House and Patent Office, and attacked New Orleans, they depended on an armed people as the only defense.

It still stands, for after destruction, a bit of Bioweapons, six months or a year, there would be no organized defense.

The Chinese are building all of those giant container ships. They could deliver a whole City, and Military Base, to give Humanitarian Aid. The occupation would be massive and rapid. After the two mile high wave, the west coast ports will still be there. So will most of the water and sewer systems. People and houses will be missing, but China can replace them.

This is not some modern era, we can wind up with nothing but the Armed People to defend the country.

What I described is the published North Korean Battle Plan to defeat the United States. Freighters deploy atomic bombs a hundred miles off shore, along all three coasts. Rockets launch nukes up high to generate an EMP.

The ships are destroyed in the blasts. We still have some weapons that would work, but proving North Korea did it would be hard. Also, they are a speck of land between Russia, China, South Korea, Japan.

Even if we nuke them, we are still stuck with a broken country. Also, we buy our electronics from South Korea and Taiwan, and those may be closed for business.

The effect would be being thrown back in time several hundred years, and if we could reboot, it would take years.

Our cities are along the coasts, all of Florida would be washed away as a wave passes over, and the same for The Gulf Coastal Plain, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Atlantic coast to the mountains.

Starvation and disease would start immediately. Medicine, Antibiotics would be quickly a thing of the past.

Canada and Mexico would also be destroyed.

Survivors, somewhere between 10-25% 30 to 70 million, within a year, are going to have to defend themselves, and produce food, with only human labor.

Chinese Disaster and Reconstruction Aid will have landed 100,000,000 people from Alaska to Mexico. They will be well supplied, and have working vehicles and electronics.

"A well Equipped Militia being necessary for the defense of a free state, Congress shall make no law infringing upon the people's right to keep and bear arms."

Trump is an authoritarian which is why he's so dangerous and also why he is so popular.

People need to get smart and just stop voting. Think about it: 0,0,0,0 across the board for all the candidates. What then? Then we'd really have to make a change for the better.