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16 Mar 2016, 1:36 am

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last time I got to drive through your fair city was October 10, 1988. sunny day, brilliant blue skies I remember. one o'these days i'll have to try to make it there again.


If you ever do again, by all means look me up! :D

indubitably :thumright: same if you are ever in mason county.


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16 Mar 2016, 3:47 am

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Trump's supporters are not the one's being confrontational, if there is violence it will be initiated by the other side

think about how dangerous of situation that was in Chicago, there were thousands of people there confronted by another large antagonistic if not openly aggressive group. That is not a peaceful protest, what the hell is the definition of violent protest then? Do they need to kill somebody first? One of these freaks took a run at Trump the very next day, they were interviewing this idiot on CNN a day or so later like he was some kind of hero. Bernie supporter by the way. There is violent rhetoric right but not by Trump but rather his detractors who will do anything to defeat him. Calling somebody a fascist or Hitler is inciting violence, what do you think the reaction to that is? We're not stupid, I know you see this crazy double standard, and even tho you can't admit it the media can no longer control the media like they use to.

Now personally I think if people want to fight let them fight, when you let people go at it they get the idea that it is pretty stupid pretty quickly. At least one of them does.

Protest Trump events all you want but trying to shut them down is authoritarian, that is silencing dissent and nothing to do with freedom and is the initiation of force into the situation. You can only poke the bear so long.


Calling someone a fascist or Hitler like is not inciting violence, if that is the case than calling people soviets or Stalin should be considered inciting violence. It is simply not inciting violence to say someone is acting like something or resembles something it's authoratarian to try and prevent people having negative opinions of someone. But I do agree trying to shut down a trump event(provided there isn't anything illegal going on in their like people who don't look write being lined up against the wall and shot) is contrary to free speech.


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16 Mar 2016, 11:11 am

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Trump's supporters are not the one's being confrontational, if there is violence it will be initiated by the other side

think about how dangerous of situation that was in Chicago, there were thousands of people there confronted by another large antagonistic if not openly aggressive group. That is not a peaceful protest, what the hell is the definition of violent protest then? Do they need to kill somebody first? One of these freaks took a run at Trump the very next day, they were interviewing this idiot on CNN a day or so later like he was some kind of hero. Bernie supporter by the way. There is violent rhetoric right but not by Trump but rather his detractors who will do anything to defeat him. Calling somebody a fascist or Hitler is inciting violence, what do you think the reaction to that is? We're not stupid, I know you see this crazy double standard, and even tho you can't admit it the media can no longer control the media like they use to.

Now personally I think if people want to fight let them fight, when you let people go at it they get the idea that it is pretty stupid pretty quickly. At least one of them does.

Protest Trump events all you want but trying to shut them down is authoritarian, that is silencing dissent and nothing to do with freedom and is the initiation of force into the situation. You can only poke the bear so long.


Calling someone a fascist or Hitler like is not inciting violence, if that is the case than calling people soviets or Stalin should be considered inciting violence. It is simply not inciting violence to say someone is acting like something or resembles something it's authoratarian to try and prevent people having negative opinions of someone. But I do agree trying to shut down a trump event(provided there isn't anything illegal going on in their like people who don't look write being lined up against the wall and shot) is contrary to free speech.


How many times have tea baggers called Obama Hitler or Stalin? And yet, Democrats never went Medieval on them.


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16 Mar 2016, 11:28 am

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Trump's supporters are not the one's being confrontational, if there is violence it will be initiated by the other side

It would be fair to say that they're not the only violent ones, but they're certainly initiating violence in their own right too. They've attacked lone protestors at rallies and Trump has endorsed their violence.



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16 Mar 2016, 11:40 am

No one was calling Obama Hitler or Stalin like they are trying to do to Trump now, any random person can say whatever on the internet but this is a real campaign and media narrative which is inciting 100% which is the entire point of what they're doing. It's completely false and very dangerous, if you lie about Trump enough and call him a Nazi long enough then people might start thinking they were lied to about the Nazis.

Immigration and trade were issues that we weren't really allowed to talk about and when given no alternative by the political establishment then the people looked for a new champion and somebody that will stand up and fight for them. Eric Cantor losing to David Brat should of been the shot heard around the world, he was defeated because of his support for amnesty and this issue is so powerful that it crosses political lines. That is why Trump has been able to maintain himself at the top of the polls and have such loyal supporters.

Somebody that has invaded a Trump rally with the intent of stopping or disrupting the event is initiating violence with confrontation. It's not freedom of speech to do that, these people can protest all they want somewhere else but this isn't like Illinois Nazis marching in Skokie rather more like Nazis heckling from the pews at a synagogue. This is the what these 'protesters' who are better described as provocateurs than anything want to incite, that's the entire point of what they're doing.



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16 Mar 2016, 12:13 pm

The same protestors show up at Clinton rallies and get told to shut up.

The same protestors show up at a Sanders rally and he lets them disrupt it.

Only Trump's supporters seem to resort to violence with this regularity. For that matter, only his rallies seem to attract violent protest

If you think sitting with a sign or walking up the stairs is violence, then you're twisting the word's meaning like the worst SJW.

Trump is a divisive figure who is hated by most of the country, and is deliberately exploiting anger to divide America.

If people like Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio are beginning to say they'd rather have Clinton in the White House, then Trump is clearly doing something very wrong.



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16 Mar 2016, 12:17 pm

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No one was calling Obama Hitler or Stalin like they are trying to do to Trump now, any random person can say whatever on the internet but this is a real campaign and media narrative which is inciting 100% which is the entire point of what they're doing. It's completely false and very dangerous, if you lie about Trump enough and call him a Nazi long enough then people might start thinking they were lied to about the Nazis.

Immigration and trade were issues that we weren't really allowed to talk about and when given no alternative by the political establishment then the people looked for a new champion and somebody that will stand up and fight for them. Eric Cantor losing to David Brat should of been the shot heard around the world, he was defeated because of his support for amnesty and this issue is so powerful that it crosses political lines. That is why Trump has been able to maintain himself at the top of the polls and have such loyal supporters.

Somebody that has invaded a Trump rally with the intent of stopping or disrupting the event is initiating violence with confrontation. It's not freedom of speech to do that, these people can protest all they want somewhere else but this isn't like Illinois Nazis marching in Skokie rather more like Nazis heckling from the pews at a synagogue. This is the what these 'protesters' who are better described as provocateurs than anything want to incite, that's the entire point of what they're doing.


I really doubt people are going to think they were lied to about the Nazis if trump get's called one...people don't literally think he's a nazi of the third reich or that him being called one means their defeat in WW11 was a face. Also maybe trump should stop negatively generalizing or talking crap about large population demographics and encouraging disdain towards them, having people he doesn't like the look of escorted out of his rallies(yes I have seen the videos), and egging on/encouraging violence against protesters if he doesn't want to be compared to a Nazi or Hitler. Also maybe instead of claiming he doesn't know what white supremacy or the KKK is when questioned about why he hasn't outright denounced a former KKK members support if he doesn't want people thinking he's a potential neo-nazi or KKK sympathizer.

Also I observed plenty of discussion about immigration long before trump started running his big mouth...so what do you mean it wasnt really allowed to be talked about. Is that Trumps secret make people believe there where some kind of laws disallowing discussion of political issues and he's the bad ass who stood up to it?

The fact that a group of trump opposers attempting to stop/shut down a trump event would violate free speech, doesn't erase the fact that Trump appears to be on of those Unity through hate type leaders. Though I do feel the line has to be drawn somewhere before we have brown-shirt trumpkins running around but at this point trying to violently shut down a trump event is only going to make it worse and probably help their support.


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16 Mar 2016, 12:19 pm

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Trump is a divisive figure who is hated by most of the country


I think he's great.

Yes, he's a bit of a loose cannon, yes, he's a bit wacky, but he's great fun.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

(Yes, I have the T-shirt.)



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16 Mar 2016, 12:21 pm

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Trump is a divisive figure who is hated by most of the country


I think he's great.

Yes, he's a bit of a loose cannon, yes, he's a bit wacky, but he's great fun.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

(Yes, I have the T-shirt.)


How exactly is unity through hate fun? Or since you are of the U.K do you more mean it's fun watching the drama he causes in america?


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16 Mar 2016, 12:29 pm

^Tequila is a Brit. Since he doesnt live here he can watch the cute baby's antics, but he doesnt have to clean up the baby's mess.



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16 Mar 2016, 12:34 pm

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^Tequila is a Brit. Since he doesnt live here he can watch the cute baby's antics, but he doesnt have to clean up the baby's mess.


Kind of like why Putin likes the idea of a Trump presidency, he doesn't like trump but he likes the idea of a weaker United States.


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16 Mar 2016, 4:40 pm

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^Tequila is a Brit. Since he doesnt live here he can watch the cute baby's antics, but he doesnt have to clean up the baby's mess.

"cute baby"? more like Image



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16 Mar 2016, 4:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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No one was calling Obama Hitler or Stalin like they are trying to do to Trump now, any random person can say whatever on the internet but this is a real campaign and media narrative which is inciting 100% which is the entire point of what they're doing. It's completely false and very dangerous, if you lie about Trump enough and call him a Nazi long enough then people might start thinking they were lied to about the Nazis.

Immigration and trade were issues that we weren't really allowed to talk about and when given no alternative by the political establishment then the people looked for a new champion and somebody that will stand up and fight for them. Eric Cantor losing to David Brat should of been the shot heard around the world, he was defeated because of his support for amnesty and this issue is so powerful that it crosses political lines. That is why Trump has been able to maintain himself at the top of the polls and have such loyal supporters.

Somebody that has invaded a Trump rally with the intent of stopping or disrupting the event is initiating violence with confrontation. It's not freedom of speech to do that, these people can protest all they want somewhere else but this isn't like Illinois Nazis marching in Skokie rather more like Nazis heckling from the pews at a synagogue. This is the what these 'protesters' who are better described as provocateurs than anything want to incite, that's the entire point of what they're doing.


I really doubt people are going to think they were lied to about the Nazis if trump get's called one...people don't literally think he's a nazi of the third reich or that him being called one means their defeat in WW11 was a face. Also maybe trump should stop negatively generalizing or talking crap about large population demographics and encouraging disdain towards them, having people he doesn't like the look of escorted out of his rallies(yes I have seen the videos), and egging on/encouraging violence against protesters if he doesn't want to be compared to a Nazi or Hitler. Also maybe instead of claiming he doesn't know what white supremacy or the KKK is when questioned about why he hasn't outright denounced a former KKK members support if he doesn't want people thinking he's a potential neo-nazi or KKK sympathizer.

Also I observed plenty of discussion about immigration long before trump started running his big mouth...so what do you mean it wasnt really allowed to be talked about. Is that Trumps secret make people believe there where some kind of laws disallowing discussion of political issues and he's the bad ass who stood up to it?
The fact that a group of trump opposers attempting to stop/shut down a trump event would violate free speech, doesn't erase the fact that Trump appears to be on of those Unity through hate type leaders. Though I do feel the line has to be drawn somewhere before we have brown-shirt trumpkins running around but at this point trying to violently shut down a trump event is only going to make it worse and probably help their support.


Trump is leading because he is smarter than the establishment that opposes them, he's crafted a strategy that has sidestepped the media fourth estate, the so called intellectual bodyguards of the establishment, and whole rigged political system. It's not dumb luck that he's where he's at, the media derided him as total buffoon but I assure you he's not because he has turn the establishment's own tools of oppression against them. The media obsesses about these minor little gotchas forever when Trump is already a 100 miles up ahead.

The establishment can't debate policy on core issues because our policies are indefensible so how they've won in the past has to shift the narrative to relatively irrelevant social wedge issues, jingoism, cult of personality, partisanship, and good old fashioned mudslinging which is part of the reason why there is such a huge credibility gap with the media now pretending like Trump is so different. It's all the same, the only difference is somebody is winning that they/the powers that be/the elite/the establishment/whatever you want to call them don't want to win. Trump is treating this election as a negotiation and Trump understands the concept of leverage, I believe Trump wants to make America great again because he wants to be the greatest president. The guy is like an athlete, he just wants to win at whatever he does. He understands strength and how other countries take care of their own people so why ucan't we? We've watched these other countries become rich doing exactly what they're trying to say doesn't work, we involve ourselves in the business of third world countries not powerful to advocate on their own behalf waste trillions of dollars on behalf of the international business interests of ruling oligarchy in this country.

These people aren't much different plantation slave owners of old, we do all the work and they and all their friends reap the fruits of our labor and I'm not asking a for giant bureaucratic government middle man. A servant in service economy, we can't even take care of our own like like our parents or even grandparents were afford but hey look at all the cheap slave labor junk that we can now buy that we don't really need. I think we have our priorities wrong, economic nationalism is not a bad thing. Trump is a real estate mogul and the United States is greatest piece of real estate in the world, mock that if you want but the people we have in charge are more like slumlords and us their tenants.



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16 Mar 2016, 5:01 pm

What makes you think his fellow wealthy elite billionaires don't want him to win? He's not going to bring jobs back otherwise he'd be working to ensure his clothing line wasn't made from cheap foreign labor...instead when confronted he sidestepped the question and played the 'but it's not my fault' card.

And it seems he only wants to take care of his supporters, I don't feel like I am within the group of americans he want to make america great for, but I don't doubt he wants to make it great for some americans.


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16 Mar 2016, 5:09 pm

auntblabby wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
^Tequila is a Brit. Since he doesnt live here he can watch the cute baby's antics, but he doesnt have to clean up the baby's mess.

"cute baby"? more like Image



OMG!

Is that Damien?

He, and the Donald, even LOOK alike!



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16 Mar 2016, 5:25 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
^Tequila is a Brit. Since he doesnt live here he can watch the cute baby's antics, but he doesnt have to clean up the baby's mess.

"cute baby"? more like Image



OMG!

Is that Damien?

He, and the Donald, even LOOK alike!


Yeah, Trump without that dead orangutan on his head!


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