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IT IS HAPPENING: Apple in talks of moving manufacturing to the USA
http://www.northcrane.com/2016/11/17/it ... o-the-usa/


already having NATO partners talk about pulling more of their own weight too

Good news. It occurred to me if Apple and Google (etc.) could design new equipment that could rely on less slave labor it could bring back many industries.

But I'm not an engineer so don't know if manufacturing has advanced to this point. Perhaps it could be done in stages, with Apple or Google (etc.) only having "partial" manufacturing/assembly done elsewhere?

My generation has pursued refunds, for defective degrees, which were set to be the next financial bubble.

Trump said, false claims of accreditation were puffery, not fraud.

Whether or not you favor some basic form of cultural conservatism, in the name of social order, whether or not Hillary can run a country, in poor, physical and mental health, there is a lack of contrition.

The definition doesn't require a legal dictionary or martyr complex.

Anyone could theoretically be subsidized, in virtual currency, to perform the same work, at any standard of living.

You could use prison labor, under specious charges of dissidence, or you could guarantee state market controls, such as accreditation and production quotas, with a fixed price.

There is no strict reason for shortages and hard feelings, except that authoritarians wanted a specific kind of social dynamic.

All executive authority ultimately comes down to puffery.

Please note that discussion of banned users is against WrongPlanet's rules.

As you were.

I don't understand what is so hard about taking people completely off of WP, and blocking the use of some particular word, which they took for an ID.



(No offense intended toward present company.)

Well you have got to remember that people don't like being called ignorant. When labels like that are thrown around on people it undermines what they have to say and frustrates them. And for many people they don't like that label being thrown on them for that reason. So who knows maybe it is a good idea we refrain from throwing words like ignorant around on some people, it undermines what they have got to say.

If we on the other hand allow people to live in their own bubble, it gives them a sense of security and happiness. It allows people to feel as though they are right and feel confident as a result of that. It gives someone a sense of identity as it allows people to identify with a particular group. I just don't see the point in challenging that if someone is allowed to feel good from their opinions.

Am I supposed to be applauding because the government is telling businesses how they should do business? Or because Apple phones will get more expensive? Or because this is all some absurd play over jobs that are really mostly dying due to automation?

Not even joking on the last one:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/

Just ask an economist though, and they'll give the same line. US manufacturing has actually been continuing to grow as US manufacturing jobs decline.

Regardless this is a sign of a poor understanding.


If there's a good light of hope in all of this, it has been a reminder to other nations not to rely too heavily on the US.

If they're saying dumb or bad things, then these dumb or bad things should be undermined. Especially since people, either individually or as a society, will end up making decisions on their beliefs.

Not only that, but having terrible beliefs is really part of being a terrible person. Unless we're supposed to cuddle people for their uncontrollable aggression, it's just as absurd to coddle them for their warped sense of reality.


Have you ever read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? I might start being more agreeable to that when we start handing off decision making to alphas, and then drugging the rest of the populations into orgies.

Really though, I'd say that I agree more with John the Savage, that an inability to deal with pain is a more wretched form of existence. We all have to deal with the possibility of being wrong, and overcoming that fear of being wrong is part of developing the character required to potentially be right.

And Oxford's new word for 2016

Post-truth.

Emotions over facts.

Me - SWT smile while typing.

You talk about allowing certain opinions as if it is the same as allowing people to have a warped sense of reality. That isn't actually the case.

Well the worst opinions in society such as hate speech we keep under the rug for a good reason and do not consider them acceptable. But simple political opinions even if they are ill informed are not bad themselves is in most cases they do not affect your attitude to people in general. E.g. you don't simply start hating blacks or Hispanics because your a Trump supporter so why should we bother to change that?

I think it's the case by definition. If your opinions are wrong, and if these opinions are connected to a world of other opinions(which they are) then to some extent your view on reality is being warped by these wrong opinions.

Now, if you have a single wrong outlook, like you somehow think that scientists proved that Mars was red due to copper rather than iron, it might not have much of an impact. However, most discussions aren't about the surface composition of Mars so much as much larger subject areas that weave across multiple disciplines. In those cases, being wrong is a bigger deal. It does mean warping your sense of how the rest of the world works. Also, because it is bigger, the intellectual sins required to be wrong are larger.


I see no reason to agree. Facts are by nature better than falsehoods. If you wear your opinions as a shiny vest, merely to look pretty, then you should really consider reducing your attachment to them. Maybe form opinions on soap operas instead. But what you believe is part of the expression of who you are as a person, just as generosity and conscientiousness play out in the social sphere. And while maybe casual intellectual sins don't mean much, it doesn't seem that far of a leap to imagine how tolerance for those is hard to really separate out from tolerance for conspiracy mongering.

Maybe you want to navel-gaze on the line between falsehood and conspiracy mongering, but the simplest explanation is just that all is the same, just that more falsehoods are worse than less.

I think the main problem is people think ignorant is a synonym for stupid (because they are ignorant) and not just a statement about lacking knowledge about something.

But the thing is people CAN'T live in a bubble. It's socially impossible. Since people don't live in a bubble, they need be informed, because they are part of society and they make an impact in it. So any policies made to keep people in bubbles are just futile, all they do is cause harm.

But people like to hold opinions on matters which are important. Most people at the end of the day would prefer to discuss who they are voting for over their favorite color. It makes themselves feel important since they feel their voice matters to society. It gives someone a sense of self-worth and that I do not think is worth taking away from someone.

Like you I feel as though their is a problem with ignorance but I think where our arguments are different is how to deal with it. I feel as though we don't necessarily need to chastise people and developing a more reliable media might be just as good. In my eyes the only opinions that should reject socially are opinions that go into hatred or intolerance the effects of that can be really punishing for society.

But I would say we shouldn't chastises someone's identity just because of misinformation. If someone identifies as a liberal/Conservative even if they have a slightly off world view that is a good thing. It allows people to feel a part of group and as though they have good morals. For instance I know a girl with borderline personality disorder, by her having opinions and sticking to them so passionately I think she has developed a real sense of pride in herself. And that is something I just don't feel we should be rejecting or trying to take away.

Sometimes there are thing more important than whether it makes them feel good, because they aren't going to feeling good in the long term if they continue to act in a certain manner according to certain beliefs.

Sometimes it undermines someone's sense of confidence and idea that anything they say is worthwhile. It can be a humilitating experience for some people.

Sometimes people can just as easily change their perspective overtime and it doesn't make people feel like crap in the process.