This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does no

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Satan doesn't exist.

Old enough to have tasted Snake at a 5 star restaurant.

The only way someone can be eternally damned is if they refuse salvation.

Please try to stay on topic and avoid attacking each other personally.

I've always found that concept particularly insidious. While people do need to tend their morality and keep themselves going forward and upward in every way possible its both unimaginable and not particularly congruent with the OT of the bible to get into the notion that a person can fry for eternity for the dearth of information we have here.

While I'm usually more interested in Sam Harris's political and sociological commentary than his antitheism I think he's finally made an analogy that's up to snuff with the rest of this thinking. The way he phrased it is that the situation as understood by modern day US protestants would be the equivalent of giving an insanely complex puzzle to a group of people with very low IQ or an extreme learning disability of some type, and roasting them if they couldn't accurately solve the puzzle that they didn't have the intellectual capacity to work out.

I get that people tend to say "Oh - it's real easy! Just do what Jesus and Paul told you to do!". Aside from giving the salvation narrative Jesus seemed to be giving moral advice tantamount to 'Don't eat yellow snow' and 'Don't play in traffic - its bad for you' and if there's a deeper meaning (like what some people suggest with the prodigal son suggesting the evolutionary and creational tract of human history and future) it tends to be quite different from what's popular in mainstream Christiandom. Then with Paul you get him essentially saying 'If it's not useful don't do it' and that the only two laws, replacing 613 Levitical laws with love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, and soul, and Love your neighbor as I have loved you. Unfortunately as a guidepost from Paul, or really from Jesus in this case, you get very little clarity on what's an actionable path toward right living and ending up in the right place (eternally) and part of the protestant dogmatism seems to be over just how wide open Paul left things.

The other problem, speaking to the puzzle analogy particularly in a society with a plurality of beliefs as well as no beliefs in other quarters, the real puzzle is all of nature and the 'pledge on a traveling rabbi who might have died and been resurrected' isn't obvious anywhere else but the bible. The additional problem is that looking at it through the lens of nature, recorded world history, and the way human beings operate you have a hand-off - ie. taking all factors into account the bible narrative held by US protestants utterly fails but then you have something that does work; ie. the concept of the bible as a wisdom book that doesn't attempt to tell the history of the world with complete accuracy but convey core concepts of human concern among the Canaanite/Chalean peoples and particularly the group that was to be later thought of as the Jewish people.

If someone's best isn't good enough of the circumstances of their upbringing too nasty to allow for 'salvation' it ends up being a morally bankrupt concept. Rudolph Steiner and Max Hiendel at least seem to theosophize the situation and handle it as Blavatski-like reincarnation of all souls as they advance and evolve, Jesus sparking the return upward at the nader of materialism, and the future being a place where good and evil increasingly sort out in a self-aware and accepting manner; that at least seems to give the imbeciles in Sam Harris's example enough time to piece together what's really going on, how they want to relate to it, and probably just about endure or enjoy every human experience along the way in order to inform that decision. Of course that's also a highly heretical viewpoint and almost all of organized Christianity tends to look at the idea of cultivation through reincarnation and evolution as something of a pelagian heresy. Even here still though - those who would be going to the dark side and going to destruction would have something in them that set their path in a lot of ways before they reliably had a choice so even the Steiner/Hiendel model still fails even if it fails a little more compassionately.

I am showing an evil belief tat ha cause gays and women to be treated as second class citizens forever.

You may not care about the victims of religion but I do.

Thanks for showing us all what your morals look like.

Yuk.

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DL

Likely paid for by daddy.

You might want to move out of his basement some day soon.

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DL

So one must sell his moral soul to a an immoral and satanic substitutionary atonement view, the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty to be saved.

Say hello to Satan for me after you are saved and put into his hands.

Do you ever read your bible?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

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DL

Snipped for brevity.

Well done.

I think, and this is not to insult Christians, but they will not get the moral implications as they cannot get thospast their faith filters which ignore logic and reason.

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DL

He attacked me first. Why would you trust a SJW snake anyway who goes out of his way to insult and bully.
He is just mad because I don't bow on my knees to abusive bullies and SJW's like him.

He is mad because I say SJW's do nothing positive for society.
SJW's haven't done anything positive for me.
Has gay marriage helped me in anyway? Has it even helped gays? Do gays actually benefit from marriage? Does anyone really benefit from marriage? Does changing our constitution for such issues, potentially harm gays in the future, as some bigot could change our constitution just as easily to ban gays?

So you are saying religion is false, yet use the adjective satanic alot.

I do a better job of destroying religion than you do, you are second rate, second fiddle.

All you are is a rude modern character, calling me a basement dweller and making fun of my virginity, wow that's rich. Nothing more than a common thug and bully

What can be proven is that it is false that God is both good and God is all powerful
A = God is both good and God is all powerful
Let X = God is willing to prevent evil
Let Y = God is able to prevent evil

if X and Y then there should be no evil so -(X and Y) which implies -A
if -X and Y then God is malicious towards us hence -A
if X and -Y then God is not all powerful hence -A
if -X and -Y then God is not all powerful hence -A

Since these are the only logical possibilities we can say -A. It is not the case that God is both good and God is all powerful.

To equate refusing salvation with a mere lack of belief is a pervasive nonsense, obviously it's clearly immoral, and anyone who believes in that should be ashamed. To truly refuse salvation, one must be perfectly aware of what they are doing.

It should be noted that the modern concept of hell is mentioned NOWHERE in the bible. Sheol and Gehenna are mentioned, but neither are places of damnation.

In the old testament when they say soul, they are referring to the body, there is no distinction between the two. They're saying you will literally die if you sin, which fits into the Hebrew worldview of the relationship of God and the Hebrew nation, it's a very temporal affair. Also, I don't see what you are finding so abhorrent of people being punished for their own sins rather than the sins of their fathers.

OR your definition of either all-powerful or good is wrong.