So when does being a 'leftist' become a crime?

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He doesn't harbor any illusions about what he'd doing, and he wasn't always like this, y'all brought him on yourselves.

What will replace those unskilled jobs then? Not everyone is wealthy enough to afford a college degree. Not everyone is intelligent enough to obtain a skilled degree. Those are just facts. The point is the system itself leaves
a chunk of the population under the bus. If robotics replace all unskilled labor then the government would need to supply a basic income (i.e. handouts according to you). Just repeating over and over again that everyone needs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps doesn't make you appear intelligent or honest. If there is a systemic problem in the economic system that leads to unemployment, then that particular problem needs to be addressed by society in some way. That is my criticism of Benjamin Franklin's supposed quote. I really have trouble believing Benjamin Franklin wouldn't agree with my argument if he were alive today.

He was also born wealthy and privileged. I somehow doubt he put as much thought into discovering the causes of poverty then he did his other endeavors.


No s**t Sherlock. I'm not stupid. Read my actual argument instead of making up what I think.


No, I only expect all people to be paid a wage they can comfortably live on. As an aside, brain surgery might actually be easier than working fast food for some aspies. I bet you never thought of that.


This is totally irrelevant, but I can refute it anyways. I think many people become an expert because they find using their brain more enjoyable than mind-numbing repetitive labor. I'm surprised an aspie wouldn't understand this. It depresses me to think that we live in a world where the only thing that motivates people is money. People like you really make me want to put a bullet through my head.

I don't think many if any conservatives have outright "hatred" for the poor. Liberals bring up the word "hate" because the poor feel they are hated. I mean, what would you feel if someone kept punching you in the face while continuously maintaining he sincerely believed it was for your own good? Some conservatives want to cut poor people off food stamps and make them go hungry in belief that this will motivate them to work harder.

Also, I said some conservatives lack empathy for the poor. This isn't quite the same as hating the poor. Lack of empathy is ultimately a lack of understanding. Some conservatives don't appear to understand why there are so many poor people. The belief that minimum wage jobs are only for teenagers working their very first job is evidence of this.

I'd also say that a lot of conservatives aren't motivated by wanting "smaller government" as they claim. There is evidence for this in the fact that many conservatives don't mind wasting money with the war on drugs and mass incarceration. It seems many would rather incarcerate people (for non-violent drug offenses) than pay people welfare even though incarceration is actually more expensive. This is more evidence that they are more motivated by what they see as preserving the natural social hierarchy (i.e. they believe certain people are just better than others and deserve more).

Also, hierarchy belief is really the only thing that would connect social conservatism to economic liassez-faire-ism and anti-welfare-ism. If mainstream conservatism was founded on smaller government alone, the two dimensions should be independent, i.e. just as many social conservatives would be economically progressive as economically liassez-faire. Why does social conservatism tend to lump together with economic liassez-faire-ism? Belief in human hierarchy seems like a plausible connecting thread. Maybe the average conservative isn't disingenuous, but I have reason to believe that leading intellectuals of the movement are.

Oh, f*ck that sh*t! He was exactly that way when I first became a member, so I didn't make his a damn thing. He's a bully and a troll using people's disagreements with him to justify harassment.

Stop picking on Kraichgauer. You guys act like therapists or something. Stick to the issues.

I bought a $2800 duck feather sofa recently.

I could of bought a $800 sofa, and gave the rest to charity, but the truth is I want nice things, and I don't really care that other people don't have as much.

This is the nature of humans, and why the collectivist-leftist-ideology is doomed to fail.

If you can afford your sofa, you should enjoy it.

Question though: If you were walking down the street and an old man fell on the ice, hurting himself, would you help him up?

Exterminate all of them!
(And yes, I'm in a b!tchy mood!)

1/10 in debating when you target a person instead of the idea. Just makes you lok like you have run out of arguments.

Collectivist-leftist-ideology is based on the principal that people should act "according to their needs", not "what they can afford".

This is why it fails.

People are naturally greedy, and will act "according to what they can afford", or "what they can get", and leave the less well-off to fend for themselves.




If it would not harm him further.

Then there is no commerce and the economy dies. Without the incentive of an elite sofa, there is no reason to "be productive." Gains of power and money are the carrots that keep the machine grinding.

Danke, fraulein!

People are also naturally wrathful, sometimes to the point of murder. But our moral compass tells us we can't succumb to that. Same with greed, which is why every world religion and morality system preaches against it. That's why we just can't leave the weaker behind, because it's against everything we know is wrong. I'm sure if it was common to just leave the weak behind to die, then a great number of us on WP wouldn't be here today.

You're welcome.
How are things in Washington State with the legalization of weed? Canada is set to do so next spring.

Well, from my own limited perspective, as I drive a neighbor couple to various local pot stores to buy their weed, it seems to be generating a whole lot of money. And from the people I've seen going in and out of the stores, they mostly seem like everyday people and good citizens, despite what Jeff Sessions says about them.