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06 Jan 2017, 12:57 pm

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Has anyone heard the explanation from our government why, at the Pentagon, they were unable to find any wings from the flight that supposedly hit it? I've seen both early and later photographic views of the scene (you can only find views of the cleaned-up site now).

The hole in the building was almost perfectly round with no evidence of impact to the sides; some might say more like a cruise missile.....now let me see...who does the U.S. trust with their cruise missiles??

This plus the sudden collapse of Building #7 makes me dubious of the government's claims. It's almost as though the buildings were built to fall intentionally.


It was a plane that hit the Pentagon, the Loose Change crowd just show selected pictures. There's a good film on the whole topic if you're interested?


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06 Jan 2017, 12:59 pm

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There are extremely thorough and detailed debunkings of 9/11 conspiracy theories all over the web. Firefighters who were actually at the scene of WTC 7 were not at all surprised the building collapsed. I trust people who were actually at the scene more than people coming up with conspiracy theories over the internet.

I don't believe everything "the government" tells me. I use my own f*****g brain to come up with conclusions. People who believe in 9/11 conspiracies clearly don't have a logical thinking brain.


You forgot to mention the firefighters that heard the bombs go off in the buildings? You forgot to mention the policeman who arrested the Israelis that were seen celebrating?


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06 Jan 2017, 1:04 pm

People get too wrapped up in how Building 7 fell thanks to crooks like Alex Jones. Firefighters did say that they thought it could collapse, but it fell like a controlled demolition and witnesses heard explosions go off.


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06 Jan 2017, 1:15 pm

If people want fake news- read Donald Trump's tweets on Twitter. Almost all are either lies or half truths. He needs to act like a mature person, not a little brat.

Many people are on Twitter more than reading actual news, so they believe Trump's nonsense time after time. Twitter needs a factcheck desperately. Everything people spout online isnt a fact just because they say so. Trump acts like an expert on everything, when he isnt. The term for that is "know-it-all".

The fact that Trump bullies people on Twitter regularly is a sign of things to come. He will leave meetings with country leaders- then rush to Twitter to insult them if they don't agree with him. He needs his phone and computer taken away or needs to GROW UP. It's 2017 and Trump is 70 years old. I personally think his bullying ways are his idea of "being hip and cool" to the generation of people addicted to Twitter. Or he simply has no respect for anyone except for his family and friends (until they cross him that is..).. or a little bit of both. There's a difference between freedom of speech and just being rude. A president-elect sets a very bad example when all he does is bully, lie and change his mind a ton.

So sickening.



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06 Jan 2017, 1:17 pm

Forgetting about political bias for the moment, if you want a perfectly hilarious illustration of just how plain dumb and incompetent the mainstream media is, you need look no further than the cover below, published not by some random basement blogger, but by a department of the Washington Post reporting on a womens' march in Washington after the inauguration:

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And no, it wasn't some kind of joke or ironic statement -- they didn't know the difference between the male and female symbols and later posted an apology: http://www.poynter.org/2017/washington- ... ol/444371/

Professional journalism! :lol:


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06 Jan 2017, 1:23 pm

The Washington Post is just a fake news rag.


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06 Jan 2017, 1:40 pm

Mainstream media has lost its relevance. It has been replaced by the Twitter microphone.



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06 Jan 2017, 2:10 pm

It's been replaced by independents and such.


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06 Jan 2017, 6:33 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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Coincidence? The towers were full of asbestos making them utterly worthless. So one of the Israelis who was there to film the first plane hit the tower and then celebrated, and was arrested with traces of explosives in the van after being seen in the towers the day before is all just coincidence?
OK so let's imagine he had a kidney transplant, that doesn't mean he was responsible for 9/11. Any evidence that was actually Bin Laden? Oh no wait, he was killed and chucked into the ocean. Dead men tell no tales....


I do not believe the Israelis were behind 9/11, or that Bin Laden was innocent of that attack. I have not seen or heard of any convincing evidence to sway my opinion.
Why would the Israelis even want to risk losing their most important allie with such a scheme?


You don't want to believe it. They can get away with whatever they want. They didn't do it behind the backs of the top dogs in the US. It was only the lower staff in the FBI and police that were left furious. The CIA etc knew all about the hijackers beforehand, bit like they did with the latest attack in Germany.


No, I know the Israelis weren't going to plan an attack against us, because they'd know they'd risk cutting themselves off from their sugar daddy. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, had absolutely nor problem in attacking us, as that's the whole reason why a terrorist organization exists.
But seriously, why are you so dismissive of Muslim terrorists attacking us, but so eager to accuse the Israelis of guilt?


So ignore all of the evidence because 'you know. The Israelis bombed one of your ships for 3 hours, they can do what they want. Sorry, you're making it out like I'm aying Israel attacked you. Parts of your government and part of Israel's did it, and lower parts of the FBI were left infuriated. Patsies from the gulf states were just paid. The plan was set out in the late 90's.


But where's the proof, other than conspiracy theories?


You really need to get over this notion of "conspiracy theories". Conspiracies happen all the time. The US was lead into 2 wars against Iraq because of conspiracy theories pumped out by the media. It was a conspiracy theory that we went into Libya because we wanted to free the people of Libya. It was a conspiracy theory that we wanted to go into Syria in 2013 because Assad attacked his own people with chemical weapons. All pumped out by the mainstream/corporate media. And there's no end to it. Instead, you actually need to look at the facts. Multiple Israelis were arrested on the day, and no one is suggesting that it was just that Israel attacked the US and that's not possible because they wouldn't want to lose their backing. Israel attacked a US ship before and you believed the conspiracy theory that it was just a mistake. In the late 1990's the think tank, the Project For The New American Century was formed and it called for a new Pearl Harbor in order to have a pretext to get into Iraq and change the regime. Instead we were fed a bunch of lies as to why we needed to go into Iraq.


I wouldn't be surprised if a great number of people had been arrested after 9/11, only to be released when found to have had no connection to the attack. A few of them, in this case, happened to be Israelis. That doesn't prove a conspiracy.


Look, I know there's just no amount of evidence I could produce to you that would change your mind. I only continue hoping that others with open minds will see what I write, even if it's just one person. Numerous Israelis were arrested on 9/11, not by mistake, some were arrested with explosives in their van and others were arrested with traces of explosives in their van, one of the men being positively identified as being the man seen in one of the towers the day before. They were deported back to Israel on visa violations and went onto an Israeli talk show saying they were there to "document the event". What evidence do you have that some guy in a cave on dialysis did it all?


If that man on dialysis has a professional terror network at his disposal, along with a grudge against the USA, anything is possible.
I'm just not seeing the Israelis having it out for their benefactor.


OK I get it, you don't believe it so it isn't true...

The US and Israel have used Al Qaeda for covert operations before and after 9/11, why is it so hard to believe they'd have done it on 9/11.


No, it's because your argument has no supportive evidence, save for the purely circumstantial "evidence" of Israelis being temporarily held by authorities, that said Israelis had allegedly been cheering as the towers fell, and because a van rented by them allegedly had bomb residue. That, and because you personally hate Israel.
And what proof is there that Bin Laden ever worked for America or Israel? Bin Laden wanted us out of Saudi Arabia, feeling infidels on the land of the Prophet was an insult that couldn't be forgiven. While many fighters in Afghanistan had been trained and financed by the US, Bin Laden and his crew were not one of them, because as a millionaire, Bin Laden could self-finance his organization rather than depending on the hated infidels.
After Pearl Harbor, Churchill had gotten his first decent night's sleep in months, because he knew America would be entering into the war on the side of Britain. Did you consider the possibility that those Israelis, if they were indeed Mossad, were cheering for very much the same reason? That they thought this would have to set America into a win or death war with Islamic extremism?


Israelis being arrested on 9/11 filming and celebrating as the first plane hit, being arrested with traces of explosives in their van after being seen in the towers the day before and other Israelis being arrested with a van packed with explosives is "circumstantial"??
Bin Laden worked for the CIA in the 1980's to fight against the Soviets, you didn't know that?? Bin Laden didn't carry out 9/11.
Yes that's pretty much exactly why they were cheering after the first plane hit!! The only problem being that no one knew it was a terrorist attack at that time, they did though.


Yes, Bin Laden was involved.
No, he didn't work for the CIA, as he was a millionaire who could finance his own Jihad against the Soviets, without depending on CIA sponsorship.
Investigations led to Bin Laden and company, but not to Israel.
'Nuff said.


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06 Jan 2017, 8:05 pm

OK Bill, you believe your own conspiracy theories if it helps.


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07 Jan 2017, 4:08 am

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OK Bill, you believe your own conspiracy theories if it helps.


What conspiracy theories? Regarding 9/11, I deal with facts.


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07 Jan 2017, 1:53 pm

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OK Bill, you believe your own conspiracy theories if it helps.


What conspiracy theories? Regarding 9/11, I deal with facts.


:lol: :lol:

You didn't even know that Bin Laden worked for/with the CIA in the 1980's to fight the Soviets. It's not even a disputed fact and you were oblivious to it.


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07 Jan 2017, 3:50 pm

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OK Bill, you believe your own conspiracy theories if it helps.


What conspiracy theories? Regarding 9/11, I deal with facts.


:lol: :lol:

You didn't even know that Bin Laden worked for/with the CIA in the 1980's to fight the Soviets. It's not even a disputed fact and you were oblivious to it.


No, I know he did not, as I said already, he was able to finance his own operations since he was a millionaire.


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07 Jan 2017, 4:23 pm

Al-Qaeda's origins and links = BBC

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During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.


Bin Ladin Comes home to roost - NBC News 1998

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What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.


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08 Jan 2017, 2:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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OK Bill, you believe your own conspiracy theories if it helps.


What conspiracy theories? Regarding 9/11, I deal with facts.


:lol: :lol:

You didn't even know that Bin Laden worked for/with the CIA in the 1980's to fight the Soviets. It's not even a disputed fact and you were oblivious to it.


No, I know he did not, as I said already, he was able to finance his own operations since he was a millionaire.


OK keep on ignoring facts and coming up with your own wild and false conspiracy theories. It wasn't about money, it was about training and supporting groups that shared an enemy with the US. It's outrageous that you're in sheer denial about facts that aren't even disputed.


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Al-Qaeda's origins and links = BBC

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During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.


Bin Ladin Comes home to roost - NBC News 1998

Quote:
What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.


Thanks, and it says a lot that even the BBC and NBC have spoken about it.


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