Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

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Jesus mentions who is a true Christan or not. Who am I to decide who is or isn't a true Christian? Christians can do bad things lets not forget that. But Christians strive to make Jesus Lord of every expect of their life. And if they don't, they aren't followers of Christ. Read the Gospel Jesus has a lot to say about who his followers are, and who aren't. And you should argue with Jesus over this not me. Because I didn't pull some "No True Scotsman" argument, Jesus did . And since he is Lord he gets to decide who is followers are and who aren't, ok?

Thanks for the laugh. I was due for a good one.

Listen. Learn.

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DL

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels my friend you couldn't be more wrong. Let's take the part of Scripture about homosexuality shall we.
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

It says that a male who lies with another male as he does with a female is an abomination. This doesn't mean that a homosexual is an abomination but the act itself. If Christians however see these people as an abomination you should really begin to ask if these people are Christians to begin with. Because I have never seen a Christian seeing another person as an abomination, regardless of what horrible things he has commited. And if you say you did, these people propably aren't Christians so don't start on this.


Leviticus 20:13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

This piece of Scripture requires a whole lot of more context than the other one. I can explain this one aswell but we are not talking about this one as for now maybe you would like the context, just ask.

Ehm lets see. Women are a possesion of their husbands. You said in Genesis 'he will rule over you', good that you mention this. Let's take the whole piece of Scripture shall we.

Genesis 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

This however isn't a commandment or a rule. You should see it as a punishment. And history has confirmed the fact that men indeed rule over women. Women rights and every thing women can do nowadays are because men allowed them to do so. Men gave women rights. However not only our female counterparts received punishment males aswell. Let's take a look.

Genesis 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 19By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

Well lets see you also mentioned something about Commandments and women being male possesion. Can you maybe quote that Scripture? I can't find it for the time being.

I am not struggling at all.

I am not sure if you are talking Islam or Christianity so will touch on both.

Christianity calls gays abominations and the secular laws they promoted have only recently been outlawed.
Christianity goes by Genesis where you will find, --- he will rule over you. Scriptures also say, that women are to remain silent in church and not teach men anything. In the Commandments, women are classed with the possessions of men.

In Islam, Sharia is clear that women are worth only half of what men are worth.

Google any of the key word I put and you can find all the citations you can handle.

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DL

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Owh I almost forgot. 1 Corinthians 14:34women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

Ye this is true. I'm not going to argue with this. As I have mentioned women and men have different roles. This doesn't mean one is inferior to the other, remember that.

Jesus mentions who is a true Christan or not. Who am I to decide who is or isn't a true Christian? Christians can do bad things lets not forget that. But Christians strive to make Jesus Lord of every expect of their life. And if they don't, they aren't followers of Christ. Read the Gospel Jesus has a lot to say about who his followers are, and who aren't. And you should argue with Jesus over this not me. Because I didn't pull some "No True Scotsman" argument, Jesus did . And since he is Lord he gets to decide who is followers are and who aren't, ok?

It is a no true Scotsman argument, and it's hilarious because you're making generalizations about another religious group and then saying we can't do the same to your religious group. Lol.

I think this fits here. I heard a christian on some news debate claim that christianity gave us the enlightenment. I laughed like a hyena. I guess christianity has also been a player in the spread of atheism, if you want to look at it from that perspective.

More literacy and more information will have the same effect on Islam that it had on Christianity. It takes a lot of work to raise a child so dogmatic that he or she will both think about and maintain your particular strain of religious belief, and it also takes a lot of luck. The odds are against the hardline varieties of all religion.

Incidentally, I have a lot of respect for Jesus, as a brother and collaborator. I think a lot about his ideas, since they are the ideas I learned all throughout my youth. I rejected Paul very early; what a douche. The Old Testament requires work, and it seems like different parts apply to different social classes. In one sense, it is explicitly a theocratic document, but if I eliminate all those parts then it becomes very interesting on other levels.

Yes, I get to pick and choose exactly which texts I respect. f**k the Council of Nicea.

We Gnostic Christians like the esoteric mystical Jesus but not the Roman ass kissing pacifist that Rome created. Many of his policies are quite immoral.

Tell me what you think of these.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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The first two sound less helpful than Crowley's writings, as a practical matter. They do sound like introductory mysticism, though. I don't care about the epistles, and find many of them revolting.

At this point, I've spent a lot of time on the bible, and I have a lot of other things I want to read. I don't foresee having any motivation to pick it up again outside of looking up a reference.

Nice!
Tu quoque - when critized you turn critizim back the other person to avoid addressing the concern.

This is what I've been talking about. You saying that you think I am real, is not criticism. Therefore I was not responding to criticism.

Therefore you once again misapplied a logical fallacy term and it was non sequitur - as usual.

I seems that you just read these off the yourlogicalfallacyis website and guess (usually incorrectly) which one applies.