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01 Jun 2017, 11:58 am

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I happen to like the "Horatio Alger" stories. Even though it's a sort of mythology, it does bring hope to those who are "downtrodden."

It brings false hope.

Do you know what brings real hope to the downtrodden?

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01 Jun 2017, 9:25 pm

This thread is emblematic of why people like Bernie Sanders have disgust for Democrats.

Rather than address their issues, people here make fun of those who voted for Trump.

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01 Jun 2017, 9:59 pm

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This thread is emblematic of why people like Bernie Sanders have disgust for Democrats.

Rather than address their issues, people here make fun of those who voted for Trump.

Bernie is absolutely right, as usual.

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01 Jun 2017, 10:02 pm

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This thread is emblematic of why people like Bernie Sanders have disgust for Democrats.

Rather than address their issues, people here make fun of those who voted for Trump.

And yet, what do conservatives say about Bernie?

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02 Jun 2017, 12:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

And yet, what do conservatives say about Bernie?

This is about the many Democrat voters that switched in the last election to vote for Trump.

These people love Bernie Sanders.

Bernie argues, Democrats are an elitist organization that is "out of touch" with the working people.

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02 Jun 2017, 12:48 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:

And yet, what do conservatives say about Bernie?

And the Republicans aren't? The difference is, Republicans provide a scapegoat - racial minorities, gays, poor people on public assistance, legal and illegal immigrants, etc - for working people to blame for their troubles, when in fact said scapegoated people have it worse.

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02 Jun 2017, 1:06 am

No the difference is that the GOP actually has a democratic mechanism in picking their nominee whereas the Democrats have party bosses and will never allow an outsider to win the nomination.

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02 Jun 2017, 1:23 am

Jacoby wrote:

No the difference is that the GOP actually has a democratic mechanism in picking their nominee whereas the Democrats have party bosses and will never allow an outsider to win the nomination.

Are you implying that Trump is an outsider? He's not. That's all part of the act.
Trump is Bush 3.0. I was kinda hoping he would be like Ron Paul ... but nope!

The only "outsider" last year was Bernie. If Trump had truly been an outsider (like Ron Paul) then the Republican establishment would have prevented his victory.

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02 Jun 2017, 1:27 am

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No the difference is that the GOP actually has a democratic mechanism in picking their nominee whereas the Democrats have party bosses and will never allow an outsider to win the nomination.

In part you're correct; I hated what those chicken heads in the DNC did to Bernie. I guess they figured: who wouldn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton?

That said, The GOP's emphasis on racial identity at the expense of class identity, their contempt for those in need, and their promotion of nativism is undeniable. The Republican party didn't invent this ugly side of America, but they did certainly take advantage of it for votes.

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02 Jun 2017, 2:16 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

No the difference is that the GOP actually has a democratic mechanism in picking their nominee whereas the Democrats have party bosses and will never allow an outsider to win the nomination.

Trump is an outsider, he may not be a Thomas Jefferson like statesman like Ron Paul but he's definitely not part of the establishment or else we wouldn't see this never ending campaign against him. An honorable principled man like Ron Paul could not win, you needed a street fighter that would be able to sidestep all the crap thrown at him and that's what Trump was. Trump is not an ideologue but a pragmatist, he's a CEO who likes many voices at the table.

If Bernie ran a scorched earth campaign against Hillary then maybe he would of had a chance but from the second he dismissed Hillary's emails as an issue I knew he was never truly serious about winning since Hillary who has no principles would simply support whatever popular positions at the moment to win so what he needed to do was to distinguish himself on a personal level which he wasn't willing to do. Now, there may be more to story with Bernie since I think he might of been blackmailed with threats to himself and his wife to fall in line.

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02 Jun 2017, 2:29 am

The GOP launched a campaign against Trump because he seemed too peaceful.

Of course, the Republicans didn't try that hard because Trump flip-flopped on foreign policy quite a bit.

What if Trump had been totally anti-war like Rona Paul? The GOP would have hit Trump with all of their power and he would have lost.

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02 Jun 2017, 3:02 am

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I think it is clear that Trump's foreign policy has been sabotaged to a certain degree and that there are limitations to the power of the president as an outsider, anybody elected would have to deal with these same people. Trump comes in as individual without the backing of a political party against a completely corrupt & seditious opposition bent on reversing the results of the election, they've made it so he has to play ball with the GOP for his presidency to survive. This is the reality of our democratic system with it's checks and balances. As much as the media and left might pretend he does, Trump does not have dictatorial powers.

What does an outsider actually have to do to win in our system as it is?

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02 Jun 2017, 9:43 am

Jacoby wrote:

I think it is clear that Trump's foreign policy has been sabotaged to a certain degree

Who sabotaged what? Get away from the passive voice. Otherwise, you're not really claiming anything.

Jacoby wrote:

and that there are limitations to the power of the president as an outsider, anybody elected would have to deal with these same people.

Our Founding Fathers wisely placed checks and balances into our political system.

Jacoby wrote:

Trump comes in as individual without the backing of a political party against a completely corrupt & seditious opposition bent on reversing the results of the election,

Trump is the corrupt and seditious one.

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they've made it so he has to play ball with the GOP for his presidency to survive.

His only sport is golf.

Jacoby wrote:

This is the reality of our democratic system with it's checks and balances.

Do you prefer Russia's system?

Jacoby wrote:

As much as the media and left might pretend he does, Trump does not have dictatorial powers.

Not yet, Comrade. Some "so-called judges" have interfered when he violated the constitution.

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What does an outsider actually have to do to win in our system as it is?

You're trying much too hard. He already won.

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02 Jun 2017, 11:05 am

Wait a tick. You speak Russian, and you don't deviate from the Kremlin-approved script. But,

Jacoby wrote:

...maybe he would of had a chance...

Now I'm confused. In English, the compound past tense is formed with the verb "to have" as the auxiliary, followed by a past participle. NEVER with the preposition "of", except among Americans of VERY low educational attainment. "Maybe he would HAVE had a chance", not "maybe he would OF had a chance."

Are you American? Or, are you now being taught to deploy poor English grammatical constructions, the better to mask your identity?

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