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09 Jan 2021, 2:24 pm

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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
Not really.

The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).

Maybe both.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:26 pm

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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
Not really.

The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).

Maybe both.


The idiom refers to the playing card suite, not the digging implement it's named for.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:30 pm

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I hope Capital Hill wins. The way they brand Trump supporters as Nazis makes me sick.


Is it unfair to call a spade a spade? :scratch:

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Using racist termonology on WP. TskTsk


This isn't the first time I've used that phrase when calling out white supremacists. I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious? :scratch:


I think he was being sarcastic, and making a commentary on how absurd PC speech has gotten.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm

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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
Not really.  The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).  Maybe both.
The idiom refers to the playing card suite, not the digging implement it's named for.
I was addressing its origins, not its usage in the common vernacular.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:35 pm

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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
[color=black]Not really.  The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).  Maybe both.[/color]
The idiom refers to the playing card suite, not the digging implement it's named for.
I was addressing its origins, not its usage in the common vernacular.


The origins of the idiom don't involve shovels though so you really weren't discussing the origins of that idiom.


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09 Jan 2021, 2:36 pm

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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
Not really.  The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).  Maybe both.
The idiom refers to the playing card suite, not the digging implement it's named for.
I was addressing its origins, not its idiomatic usage in the common vernacular.
The origins of the idiom don't involve shovels though so you really weren't discussing the origins of that idiom.
Look it up.

:roll: I did.


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09 Jan 2021, 3:07 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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... I use it because of it's origins. Wasn't that obvious?
[color=black]Not really.  The word "spade", when used to describe a type of digging implement, originated from the Latin "spatha" (e.g., a broad, flat weapon or tool), or from the Greek "spathe" (e.g., a broad blade).  Maybe both.[/color]
The idiom refers to the playing card suite, not the digging implement it's named for.
I was addressing its origins, not its usage in the common vernacular.


The origins of the idiom don't involve shovels though so you really weren't discussing the origins of that idiom.


The phrase "to call a spade a spade", meaning "to not talk in euphemisms", is several centuries old. But the American racial epithet is only a recent 20th Century invention, and is peculiar to America.

It does indeed refer to shovels. Not to folks of any particular race.

So "calling a spade a spade" is not racist, nor race related in the slightest.

The racial epithet for Blacks is derived from the dark symbol on playing cards. But though that symbol does indeed look like a short digging trowel -I always thought that that was it was supposed to be....I just now looked it up and apparently the card symbol is supposed to be a sword. And the name comes from the Italian word for sword, which is "spada".

So the expression comes from shovels, and the racial epithet comes from swords via playing cards. Not even related words.



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09 Jan 2021, 3:10 pm

There is another phrase funeral cause use, "if it quakes like a duck and looks like a duck."

Poor ducks. :lol:


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09 Jan 2021, 3:12 pm

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There is another phrase funeral cause use, "if it quakes like a duck and looks like a duck."

Poor ducks. :lol:


If it goose-steps like a fascist...

...it's just a Trump supporter and all us liberals are just slandering that proud patriot by pointing out what he's expressed support for. ;)


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09 Jan 2021, 3:16 pm

Well what I don't understand is, why didn't the extremists detonate the bombs. The authorities found the bombs and defused them, so it seems like the extremists were just bluffing and had no intention of setting them off. But why did they think that a bluff would be enough to make the government obey their demands?



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09 Jan 2021, 3:18 pm

Well if you're supposed to be the last word in patriotism, bombing people you pledged allegiance to is a bad look, OK?

Also, if a bomb needs defused, it's an ACTIVE IED. The charges are equally severe for attempting terrorism.


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09 Jan 2021, 3:19 pm

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Well what I don't understand is, why didn't the extremists detonate the bombs. The authorities found the bombs and defused them, so it seems like the extremists were just bluffing and had no intention of setting them off. But why did they think that a bluff would be enough to make the government obey their demands?


You just answered your own question. That werent bluffing. They got apprehended before they got to set them off.



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09 Jan 2021, 3:48 pm

But on the news, they showed this going on for over two hours it seems. It doesn't take that long to detonate a bomb. Why the long wait? When you say they were taken away before they could do anything, they had two hours it seemed, so what were they doing that whole time? They definitely seemed to have a chance to detonate them bombs, so it seems the either got cold feet or were bluffing I thought.



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09 Jan 2021, 4:07 pm

Just glad Biden wasn't wearing a tan suit anytime recently because then the right would be losing its mind with fury



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09 Jan 2021, 4:09 pm

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Just glad Biden wasn't wearing a tan suit anytime recently because then the right would be losing its mind with fury


Trump's version of Benghazi happened because he incited it. Do you think Congress will hold multiple hearings into this scandal, or will they just sweep it under the rug with excuses of 'national unity and healing'?


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09 Jan 2021, 4:20 pm

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But on the news, they showed this going on for over two hours it seems. It doesn't take that long to detonate a bomb. Why the long wait? When you say they were taken away before they could do anything, they had two hours it seemed, so what were they doing that whole time? They definitely seemed to have a chance to detonate them bombs, so it seems the either got cold feet or were bluffing I thought.


More will come to life as they investigate it.

But dude...use common sense please. They werent standing in one place for two hours. They were on the move, and busy gawking at where they were. These were not seasoned professionals. And if they set off a bomb too soon they wouldve blown up their own friends, and fellow rioters who were swarming all over the place.

And you suggest that they were planning to bluff. First off- bluffing or real makes no moral nor legal difference. If you rob a bank with a realistic looking squirt gun you are still charged with "armed robbery" just like the guy who uses a real loaded pistol.

And why "bluff" anyway? Bluff with a secret hidden time bomb? For what purpose?

How can you threaten someone with a time bomb? You can brandish a hand grenade, and threaten to pull the pin, or you can brandish a gun, or a baseball bat, and, and extort from a person. But you cant say "gimmie what I want or this hidden device I set up will go off...but it will go off anyway even if you DO give it to me...because I already set it up with the timer going so now I have no control over it...so you and I both goners any way!" :lol: