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10 Oct 2021, 1:41 pm

Since they're making a lifestyle choice that raises their risk of dying or facing significant medical bills it would seem fair that insurance companies can raise their rates on the unvaccinated, no? :chin:


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10 Oct 2021, 2:39 pm

There appears to be a precedent in the U.S.:

HealthMarkets Insurance Agency: "What You Need to Know About Smoking and Health Insurance"


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10 Oct 2021, 6:32 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Since they're making a lifestyle choice that raises their risk of dying or facing significant medical bills it would seem fair that insurance companies can raise their rates on the unvaccinated, no? :chin:
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There appears to be a precedent in the U.S.:

HealthMarkets Insurance Agency: "What You Need to Know About Smoking and Health Insurance"
Well, that is a prime example of Capitalism in action, and Conservatism is very much in support of Capitalism. I see no reason why that crowd shouldn't be in support of this if they're not a pack of hypocrites.



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10 Oct 2021, 6:54 pm

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Well, that is a prime example of Capitalism in action, and Conservatism is very much in support of Capitalism. I see no reason why that crowd shouldn't be in support of this if they're not a pack of hypocrites.
"Hypocrites", you say? What about liberals trashing people for having parties in their own backyards, while rooting for looters and arsonists who caused 2 billion dollars worth of damages? What say you?


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10 Oct 2021, 7:02 pm

^^^ I can't speak for anyone else, but in my observation the pandemic is brought out the worst in a lot of people, driving them into self-righteous corners they will battle to the death to defend. Examples can be found on both sides of any debate.


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10 Oct 2021, 7:06 pm

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^^^ I can't speak for anyone else, but in my observation the pandemic is brought out the worst in a lot of people, driving them into self-righteous corners they will battle to the death to defend. Examples can be found on both sides of any debate.
You spelled "scamdemic" wrong, due to the words being homophones. But other than that, your point is spot-on.

Here are the spelling rules:
* For illnesses other than Biden-19, the spelling "pandemic" is correct.
* For Biden-19 specifically, the spelling "scamdemic" is correct.

"Scamdemic" is pronounced as "pandemic". However, some people spell it phonetically, which is wrong, and has to stop.


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10 Oct 2021, 7:29 pm

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Well, that is a prime example of Capitalism in action, and Conservatism is very much in support of Capitalism. I see no reason why that crowd shouldn't be in support of this if they're not a pack of hypocrites.
"Hypocrites", you say? What about liberals trashing people for having parties in their own backyards, while rooting for looters and arsonists who caused 2 billion dollars worth of damages? What say you?


I don't recall anyone cheering for looters or arsonists even if many people cheered for the social justice cause that some criminals exploited while committing those acts.


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10 Oct 2021, 7:44 pm

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^^^ I can't speak for anyone else, but in my observation the pandemic is brought out the worst in a lot of people, driving them into self-righteous corners they will battle to the death to defend. Examples can be found on both sides of any debate.
You spelled "scamdemic" wrong, due to the words being homophones. But other than that, your point is spot-on.

Here are the spelling rules:
* For illnesses other than Biden-19, the spelling "pandemic" is correct.
* For Biden-19 specifically, the spelling "scamdemic" is correct.

"Scamdemic" is pronounced as "pandemic". However, some people spell it phonetically, which is wrong, and has to stop.


Can I say something? The loss of life I PERSONALLY KNOW OF makes it quite clear this is not a "scamdemic," but a true pandemic. The number of people infected that I PERSONALLY KNOW OF also makes it quite clear this is not a "scandemic " but a pandemic. I am left with ZERO PATIENCE for the types of claims you are making in this post. ZERO.

Consider it a luxury that life hasn't forced you to stare the facts dead on in the face, but stop trying to gas-light the rest of the world. The scam is on the denial side, not on the believer side. I'm all for personal choices, trying to live together, etc., but when people insist on denying the reality of other people's pain and difficulty, that where I draw the line. You are LITERALLY CAUSING PAIN to people with the gas-lighting. Just, STOP.


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10 Oct 2021, 7:47 pm

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Aspie1 wrote:
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Well, that is a prime example of Capitalism in action, and Conservatism is very much in support of Capitalism. I see no reason why that crowd shouldn't be in support of this if they're not a pack of hypocrites.
"Hypocrites", you say? What about liberals trashing people for having parties in their own backyards, while rooting for looters and arsonists who caused 2 billion dollars worth of damages? What say you?


I don't recall anyone cheering for looters or arsonists even if many people cheered for the social justice cause that some criminals exploited while committing those acts.


Agreed. Most of the left was very quick to say protests needed to stay peaceful and to condemn violence.


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10 Oct 2021, 8:08 pm

Our Christmas Card list is shorter because of the Pandemic. She was a nice lady. It is sad that COVID took her.


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10 Oct 2021, 8:11 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Consider it a luxury that life hasn't forced you to stare the facts dead on in the face, but stop trying to gas-light the rest of the world. The scam is on the denial side, not on the believer side. I'm all for personal choices, trying to live together, etc., but when people insist on denying the reality of other people's pain and difficulty, that where I draw the line. You are LITERALLY CAUSING PAIN to people with the gas-lighting. Just, STOP.
Consider it a luxury that social isolation didn't cause you the emotional pain it caused me. And don't mock me by saying how you feel bad for me. I'm just glad the scamdemic happened when I was 36, and not 22, so I at least had the resourcefulness and the deviousness to find new like-minded conservative friends online. And if I had to join QAnon, oh well. As for gaslighting, I learned from the best: my rotten, filthy shrink. But since the mods on this site are liberal and not conservative, I'll stop arguing here.

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Agreed. Most of the left was very quick to say protests needed to stay peaceful and to condemn violence.
Says you! Commie-la Harris went as far as paying those filthy criminals' legal bills. She even said that the destruction "should not stop". Again, since the mods here are liberal like you are, I'm done arguing, since I know I'll get issued a warning if I continue, because cancel culture.


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10 Oct 2021, 8:59 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Consider it a luxury that life hasn't forced you to stare the facts dead on in the face, but stop trying to gas-light the rest of the world. The scam is on the denial side, not on the believer side. I'm all for personal choices, trying to live together, etc., but when people insist on denying the reality of other people's pain and difficulty, that where I draw the line. You are LITERALLY CAUSING PAIN to people with the gas-lighting. Just, STOP.
Consider it a luxury that social isolation didn't cause you the emotional pain it caused me. And don't mock me by saying how you feel bad for me. I'm just glad the scamdemic happened when I was 36, and not 22, so I at least had the resourcefulness and the deviousness to find new like-minded conservative friends online. And if I had to join QAnon, oh well. As for gaslighting, I learned from the best: my rotten, filthy shrink. But since the mods on this site are liberal and not conservative, I'll stop arguing here.


I think you can effectively decry the shut downs and social distancing measures without using a term like scamdemic and trying to deny the reality of the virus. It doesn't have to be one or the other, that it's either your reality or ours. The legitimacy of social shut down measures as a response to the pandemic is a fair debate topic, I am not going to claim otherwise. But it can be done without denying the reality of other's people's experiences. Do you see my point?


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10 Oct 2021, 9:10 pm

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I think you can effectively decry the shut downs and social distancing measures without using a term like scamdemic and trying to deny the reality of the virus. It doesn't have to be one or the other, that it's either your reality or ours. The legitimacy of social shut down measures as a response to the pandemic is a fair debate topic, I am not going to claim otherwise. But it can be done without denying the reality of other's people's experiences. Do you see my point?
No, I do not! But I refuse to debate a liberal from California! Because (1) you presented just enough allegedly valid viewpoints to make people hate me, (2) WP is based in California, so I know where its loyalty resides, and (3) Cornflake will take your side, I just know it.



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10 Oct 2021, 9:14 pm

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Says you! Commie-la Harris went as far as paying those filthy criminals' legal bills. She even said that the destruction "should not stop". Again, since the mods here are liberal like you are, I'm done arguing, since I know I'll get issued a warning if I continue, because cancel culture.


At least one guy who was charged and who Fox News held up as an example of a rioter who tried to murder cops was later acquitted because it was proven he was returning fire in self-defence on an unmarked van that opened fire on him.

Edit: His name is Jaleel Stallings.


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10 Oct 2021, 9:19 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I think you can effectively decry the shut downs and social distancing measures without using a term like scamdemic and trying to deny the reality of the virus. It doesn't have to be one or the other, that it's either your reality or ours. The legitimacy of social shut down measures as a response to the pandemic is a fair debate topic, I am not going to claim otherwise. But it can be done without denying the reality of other's people's experiences. Do you see my point?
No, I do not! But I refuse to debate a liberal from California! Because (1) you presented just enough allegedly valid viewpoints to make people hate me, (2) WP is based in California, so I know where its loyalty resides, and (3) Cornflake will take your side, I just know it.


I'm not sure people hate you, they just strongly disagree with your message.

Does living in California somehow make their views less valid or less well-informed, or are you just trying to avoid further discussion with someone who's been very patient while refuting most of your claims?

Why does it matter where WP is based? Are the mods based out of CA? Are they paid to align themselves with anything or are they unpaid volunteers located in many places that aren't CA?


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10 Oct 2021, 10:22 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
I think you can effectively decry the shut downs and social distancing measures without using a term like scamdemic and trying to deny the reality of the virus. It doesn't have to be one or the other, that it's either your reality or ours. The legitimacy of social shut down measures as a response to the pandemic is a fair debate topic, I am not going to claim otherwise. But it can be done without denying the reality of other's people's experiences. Do you see my point?
No, I do not! But I refuse to debate a liberal from California! Because (1) you presented just enough allegedly valid viewpoints to make people hate me, (2) WP is based in California, so I know where its loyalty resides, and (3) Cornflake will take your side, I just know it.


I'm not sure people hate you, they just strongly disagree with your message.

Does living in California somehow make their views less valid or less well-informed, or are you just trying to avoid further discussion with someone who's been very patient while refuting most of your claims?

Why does it matter where WP is based? Are the mods based out of CA? Are they paid to align themselves with anything or are they unpaid volunteers located in many places that aren't CA?


Before the debate gets out of hand any further, I think we all need to back it up a moment. I realize that I changed the tone of the conversation first, and Apsie1 was responding in kind. I would rather deescalate, and will give it a shot in my next post.


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