Abortion Rights On the Chopping Block

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In theory they could make almost anything into a law but in practice, the people who are trying to make laws about abortion are trying to get less people to have abortions, not guarantee the right to an abortion.

Some of these laws are impractical by design because when they can't ban abortion they can make getting an abortion more difficult or more expensive.

they are sticking their bluenoses where they don't belong.

It's always about controlling someone else's life, never their own.

it is about sex and power- keeping the riff raff from having sex or making it very hard for them to even think about getting together, and it is about returning women to a dependent status and away from the levers of power, and nothing can do that better than to keep them barefoot in the kitchen slaving for her owner, and pregnant caring for beaucoup children. it is all very alpha.

But don't the men suffer from this too, if they as well do not want the baby, along with the woman?

Yes, I figure in texas a man may face legal action if he helps his S.O obtain an abortion.

But why this abortion issue considered to be misogynstic when the men will suffer too though? Why would a man make a misogynistic law, if they are going to be shooting themselves in the foot too as a result?

Not all men would suffer too, just the ones who respect their partners choice. To put it the other way around a man could find out his wife or gf is pregnant and wants an abortion and refuse to help and even tattle on her for seeking one.

How does tattling on her ruin the abortion for her though? If she gets the abortion in six months and it's legal, then what does tattling do really?

It's 6 weeks, not months but I may have got it mixed up in one of my posts. But yeah 6 weeks can be too early for a lot of women to tell they are pregnant...so by the time they realize they will probably be past the 6 week limit of when you can have an abortion legally there. So, if she doesn't find out by then they could report her for it.

But yeah it's not even a fetus yet at 6 weeks, still an embryo.

I don't understand, sorry. I have a couple of questions.

1. I read that after getting pregnant, a pregnancy test can likely tell you two weeks later. Is two weeks or a bit after acceptable therefore to take a test?

2. I don't understand how guys reporting a woman for not knowing she was pregant is a crime? How is not knowing within a certain amount of a time, a crime that is culpable to report?

A pregnancy test can tell in two weeks, I think but they can be wrong. But also, by than you have already used up 2 weeks so you only have 3 left to get that abortion, may take longer than that to actually get scheduled for one, let alone figure how to afford it. Not impossible but it does create potential barriers.

And what I mean, is if the woman finds out closer to the 6 weeks and still wants to pursue an abortion, he could report her for that. Not that she'd be reported just for not knowing of the pregnancy.

Also, could be a woman wants to have a baby, but 6 weeks in she finds out there are complications and it may be better for her health if she has an abortion. But it's past 6 weeks so she may be forced to keep a harmful pregnancy with little chance of success just because it's past 6 weeks.

Oh okay I see what you mean. I guess the only option is illegal means then in Texas? Does that mean that there is going to be more of a blackmarket business for that there then?

BINGO!!

*sigh*

Ok...nobody's saying what this is really about, so I guess I will.

The law is a legislative action, right? And legislators are elected by popular vote, right? To stay in power they are obligated to reflect the will of their respective constituencies. So passing a law in Texas (or anywhere, really) is not simply a matter of one party maintaining power over the other. In this case it is about the ideals of the people of the state of Texas.

What the people of Texas have decided is that they see abortion as murder. Any time abortion is state-sanctioned murder, that means that the people of Texas have blood on their hands. That is simply not what the people of Texas want for themselves. So it makes perfect sense to oppose it.

Yes, that has the effect of driving abortion underground. Yes, that means DIY back alley D&C procedures under likely less-than-ideal circumstances. Yes, that means a few girls will go the old wire clothes hanger gambit. But at the end of the day, anyone who performs an abortion and anyone who seeks one will be doing so without the approval of the state.

Laws that properly do what law is supposed to do is never about restricting freedom, but rather establish an orderly society and maximize freedom. You are then free to do any reasonable thing. Committing murder is unreasonable, and the freedom to unreasonably deny ANY person the right to life results in the loss of order and the freedom that goes with it.

What is the point of having traffic laws? To restrict your right to drive? Why should anyone bother to respect traffic lights? Suppose traffic laws were abolished and traffic lights were simply a friendly suggestion. Well, then, you could blow through red lights any time you want. It might be more convenient for you any time you can see there's no other traffic on the road. Laws that do what they're supposed to do send the message, "hey, don't hurt anyone." So if everyone follows the law "don't hurt anyone," people would naturally devise their own code of etiquette when approaching intersections such that nobody would ever get hurt. But what about when things aren't so clear? If or when an accident did happen, whose responsibility is it to make things right with the injured party? And if a situation exists in which a state's citizens are at an increased risk, states should enact laws to protect them, yes? Because if a state does NOT have laws to maintain order, increasing safety, and ensuring freedom, then the state is ineffective and failing. The laws aren't there for the state to say what you can/can't do with your vehicle. The laws are there to protect both you and the government from each other: to protect YOU by keeping the government off your back, and protecting the government by granting citizens pathways to justice any time individuals violate the freedom and safety of others. You cannot be forced by the state to observe a red light. Rather, you are granted the FREEDOM to observe that red light along with exercising your privilege to drive. It is in YOUR best interest to observe the red light because you will not have to fear a lawsuit when a careless person isn't paying attention. The lack of laws means you have to worry MORE about everyone else at the expense of your own freedom.

The commission of murder ultimately results in the loss of freedom to the living, not the one in the grave. If you allow murder to take place, you must accept that someone could kill you without you or your survivors having any recourse through justice. If you can rationalize the murder of the unborn, you can rationalize the murder of the elderly. If you can rationalize the murder of ANYONE, then you can rationalize murdering anyone just because they are annoying or inconvenient. And if you can go after anyone, anyone can come for you.

If Texans enjoy more freedom knowing that they don't have blood on their hands, then that is ideal. The blame is not on the people of Texas if girls murder their babies, but rather on those girls and anyone else involved themselves. The whole "my body, my choice" line doesn't carry much weight when you recognize that the government through laws tells us what we can/can't do with our bodies all the time. Incarcerated felons lack the choice to live in the outside world. Death row inmates lack the choice to escape the needle, the chamber, or the chair. Drivers lack the LEGAL choice to blow through red lights; they face consequences if they happen to get caught or they cause an accident. There are all sorts of laws denying your body the choice to go in certain places and do certain things in other places. So it's not entirely unexpected that the state would determine your range of choices with your own body when the natural course of a person's life cycle is at stake.

Seems like a good time to start selling mifepristone and misoprostol via mail order.
People have every right to ignore prohibitions like this.