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14 Jan 2022, 9:53 pm

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How the F*CK else are you supposed to respond to a man who heartlessly denies the pain of grieving parents by claiming they are crisis actors, and that their children had never existed? Anger and moral outrage is the only response that any person with a shred of humanity can express.

Personal attack noted, but no, you still can't claim to know for sure as all of your information is second hand, and likely from sources with personal, political, and professional reasons to have it in for Alex Jones.

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14 Jan 2022, 9:56 pm

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Do you know the Cold War era expression "trust, but verify"? That's how I view the media, all of it, (my most trusted sources are actually disgruntled liberals, FYI), where as I think you and Bill and most of the other people here have picked brands that align with your beliefs and skip the "verify" part, which doesn't make you into raving conspiracy loons like some people who decide to trust the wrong media, but it does leave you vulnerable when those media outlets lead you astray.

It might surprise you to know I do watch Sky news and listen to conservative commentators like Rowan Dean and Andrew Bolt as they have a considerable following among conservatives in Australia. I am quite familiar how they operate (they use a similar formula to Tucker Carlson, Piers Morgan or Alex Jones). Are they wrong all the time? no. They give some insight into what makes the other side tick. BTW my brother has made the transition from a left wing progressive to more politically right leaning. He's spent plenty of time trying to educate me over the phone why the media attack Trump and why the labour party isn't all that trustworthy and I agree with some of what he says.

So while I am willing to listen to conservatives/their political views there are lines they cross that I can't honestly compromise my own values over.

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14 Jan 2022, 10:03 pm

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No, I think you've mistaken me for that guy in your mirror.

Projection really is your go to move, isn't it? Call me arrogant, I can see it, egotistical, yeah a bit, dancing around the edge of the rules at times, sure, you can even call me more biased than I like to present myself as, I really do hate the Democrats more than I hate the Republicans (thought I do hate them), but I'm not a partisan like you, and you only make yourself look dishonest by trying to claim otherwise. Get a new insult, this one is embarrassing.

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14 Jan 2022, 10:19 pm

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You know what? No BS, no snark, good for you, that's better than a lot of people here can manage, admitting that the other side has a point now and then. I'd really encourage you to seek out some heterodox liberals, Bari Weiss is sort of the poster girl, too liberal for the Wall Street Journal, too conservative for the New York Times, but Jesse Singal and his podcasting partner Katie Herzog (my literal neighbor), Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Michael Tracey, Andrew Sullivan, Freddie deBoer, all are excellent in their own way and are liberals through and through who are not afraid to cross partisan lines in search of a good story.

Part of what gets me so frustrated here is that I put a ton of time and energy (and money) into getting a diverse media diet, even when I don't like what is being said (Katie Herzog: "if I could just wave a wand and get rid of all the guns, I'd do it in a heartbeat"), but people who don't put in that effort try and snow me with MSM stories that I know are misleading if not outright false, and I actually feel a bit insulted. It's not quite like media literacy is my job or anything, it's more of a very obsessive hobby I've had for a long time, but that's kind of the feeling I get when people who don't put the effort in try and tell me stories I know aren't true, it's like amateurs have come into my job and are trying to tell me how to do it, and that makes me a touch prickly.

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14 Jan 2022, 10:37 pm

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Part of what gets me so frustrated here is that I put a ton of time and energy (and money) into getting a diverse media diet, even when I don't like what is being said (Katie Herzog: "if I could just wave a wand and get rid of all the guns, I'd do it in a heartbeat"), but people who don't put in that effort try and snow me with MSM stories that I know are misleading if not outright false, and I actually feel a bit insulted. It's not quite like media literacy is my job or anything, it's more of a very obsessive hobby I've had for a long time, but that's kind of the feeling I get when people who don't put the effort in try and tell me stories I know aren't true, it's like amateurs have come into my job and are trying to tell me how to do it, and that makes me a touch prickly.

Fair enough. I don't pay much attention different perspectives enough and perhaps I do apply a filter. The problem is nowadays I don't have the patience to read pages and pages of writing from authors whom I know I might agree with 10% of what they write and the rest probably not.

My father is a subscriber to the "Australian" which is a broadsheet newspaper that has a wide array of journalists, guest writers and editors who range of staunch conservatives, old school social activists, younger woke liberals and neo-liberal capitalists. I used to enjoy the diverse view points

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14 Jan 2022, 10:58 pm

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Mona Pereth wrote:

Do you believe Alex Jones's claims about the parents? If so, why?

No, but I understand why he made them, and I'm somewhat skeptical of the legal proceedings against him.

You understand why he hurt grieving parents? How is it possible to live without a heart???
And what's wrong with the legal proceedings against him? He whipped up a bunch of dirt bag psychos to attack the parents. Case closed.

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14 Jan 2022, 10:59 pm

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The use of the word "honest" is ironic given most have been vocal in joining the Trump chorus of calling mainstream news "fake news". Some of these jokers aren't dumb, so they clearly know what they are doing.

I guess they think they have to stand up for their team, no matter how wrong their team is.

This from the guy who blamed Bush for the five wars Obama got us into. *Snicker*

I think you've gotten me mixed up with someone else.

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14 Jan 2022, 10:59 pm

I cannot stand him and I hope with all my hear he dies soon.

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14 Jan 2022, 11:02 pm

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Sure I can, because that POS Jones has made his views ne secret.
I think you're defending Jones just because he has a hard on for guns.

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14 Jan 2022, 11:05 pm

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No, I think you've mistaken me for that guy in your mirror.

Okay, you're arrogant. And where gun rights are concerned, you are extremely partisan. That's the only reason why I can think of why you're defending that waste of working human organs, Alex Jones.

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14 Jan 2022, 11:07 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

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Or maybe he's just a POS, psycho snake oil salesman like the rest of us know he is.

There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists, like Rachael Maddow who pushed Russiagate on MSNBC for three years.

In fact, she was basing her reports on the Mueller report, which had found evidence of Russian collusion.

Firstly, how could she have based her reports on the Mueller report in the beginning since the report had not been published until 2018?

Secondly, there is nothing in the report but a tiny amount of circumstantial evidence. I've read it, along with mutiple legal analyses of it. There is no evidence of Russian collusion.

Do you have any evidence that would prove me wrong? I'd love to see it.

Correct; I meant to say that the Mueller report confirmed what she had reported on, as had the congressional investigation leading to Trump's impeachment.
I suspect you could be taken back in a time machine to observe Trump's Russian involvement, and you'd say you didn't believe your lying eyes!

If empirical evidence was presented to prove that Trump colluded with Russia, I'd have no problem acknowledging it.

I don't dwell in your hyperpartisan political world. I tend to deal in facts, not conjecture.

How do you know the Dems didn't have the facts? Because the senatorial Republicans wouldn't convict him? As if the Senate's Republicans wouldn't act like a bunch of whipped lap dogs putting party over country.

Uh...again, I don't deal in conjecture, only facts.

That aint conjecture. The GOP almost to a man has slavishly been worshipping at the cult of Trump. That's undeniable.

I thought we were talking about evidence of Russian collusion. At this point, you're no better than Alex Jones. The only difference is you're nowhere near as entertaining.

As I recall, you were the one who led the way off topic.

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14 Jan 2022, 11:11 pm

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I cannot stand him and I hope with all my hear he dies soon.

I couldn't agree more!

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14 Jan 2022, 11:17 pm

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VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Or maybe he's just a POS, psycho snake oil salesman like the rest of us know he is.

There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists, like Rachael Maddow who pushed Russiagate on MSNBC for three years.

In fact, she was basing her reports on the Mueller report, which had found evidence of Russian collusion.

Uh...again, I don't deal in conjecture, only facts.

That aint conjecture. The GOP almost to a man has slavishly been worshipping at the cult of Trump. That's undeniable.

I thought we were talking about evidence of Russian collusion. At this point, you're no better than Alex Jones. The only difference is you're nowhere near as entertaining.

As I recall, you were the one who led the way off topic.

No, I just pointed out your hypocrisy. If you want to point your finger at conspiracy theorists, you best not buy into ones that suit your political biases.

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14 Jan 2022, 11:21 pm

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14 Jan 2022, 11:28 pm

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Somebody been abusing the Quote button.

I find the comment streams rather interesting. It's like a big ol' Christmas tree without the purty ornaments.

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