Should the government make vaccination compulsory?

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31 Dec 2021, 9:54 pm

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Vaccination means less patients taking up space in hospitals which should be reserved for people, say, who have cancer or have heart attacks.

What if the hospitals did what my gf's Mom suggested (who is a hospital worker), and just don't treat people who are not vaccinated, in order to motivate them to get vaccinated, if they want treatment?

Wouldn't it be easier to just just kill them? Might as well because turning away patients from a hospital seems brutal. Are there plenty of AR15's in northern America? Should put them to good use in the hospital corridors rather than school corridors, I'm sure doctors would rarely miss with their steady hands.

Seriously, what WTF with your GF's mom. Are you sure she should be employed in her current capacity as a hospital worker?

She is, I guess she just feels like people need to be compelled to take getting vaccinated more seriously. But what I mean is though, I'm not saying kill people just force them to get it. You can't beat covid if the government chooses to fight it with one hand tied around their b@$$s.

Forcing them to get it by threatening to remove all medical care from them? That sounds a lot like threatening to kill them.

Again the government cannot beat covid while trying to fight it with one hand tied around their b#$$s. The government was willing to bomb hiroshima and nagasaki to beat Japan at a war, yet forcing people to get a vaccine to beat covid is too much?

But also the hospital doesn't have to kill people I am saying. If these people are sick they are probably not willing to put up much of a fight, so just stick the vaccine in them by government court order. What are they going to do about it? Leave the hospital and give up their medical care?

But as far as calling forcing people to get vaccinated being equated to 'medical rape', the government has forced chemicals into people's bodies before. They force tear gas into protestors bodies for example, so why is a vaccine crossing the line, when it comes to people disobeying.

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31 Dec 2021, 9:59 pm

ironpony wrote:

Nades wrote:

ironpony wrote:

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Vaccination means less patients taking up space in hospitals which should be reserved for people, say, who have cancer or have heart attacks.

Forcing them to get it by threatening to remove all medical care from them? That sounds a lot like threatening to kill them.

Well yeah it's to much.....they're not comparable to the 1940s Japanese war machine. Covid will inevitably wear itself out too. All viruses have, hence why humanity is here today.

The jabs themselves will never beat Covid too. It should be clear by now that Covid is going nowhere. All that Covid can do now is mutate into a weaker strain. The vaccines merely stop it from bubbling over but they can never "beat" it. Might as well be trying to vaccinate against the common cold now.

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31 Dec 2021, 10:01 pm

Nades wrote:

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Vaccination means less patients taking up space in hospitals which should be reserved for people, say, who have cancer or have heart attacks.

Forcing them to get it by threatening to remove all medical care from them? That sounds a lot like threatening to kill them.

If covid is unbeatable then, then why have these restrictions then? Why doesn't the government just face the fact they cannot beat it and lift restrictions like some places have. What is wrong with throwing in the towel then?

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31 Dec 2021, 10:05 pm

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It's possible to mitigate against but never beat. The problem is where the line is drawn on the measures to mitigate against deaths from Covid and this is where governments and scientists seem to go off on many different tangents. All these lines seem to be beyond the batshit insane fringes of common sense so far.

(Look no further than your GF's mother)

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31 Dec 2021, 10:06 pm

It has to do with hospital capacity.

If we threw in the towel all the time, we would go back to kings and tyrants.

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31 Dec 2021, 10:09 pm

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It has to do with hospital capacity.

If we threw in the towel all the time, we would go back to kings and tyrants.

Why do people who don't take their vaccines get it in the neck but the legions of 300 pound land whales seem to avoid attention at a time when hospital capacity is stretched?

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31 Dec 2021, 10:15 pm

There aren’t that many people who weigh 300 pounds.

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31 Dec 2021, 10:16 pm

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There aren’t that many people who weigh 300 pounds.

In the general public that is. In hospital wards there probably are plenty of them.

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31 Dec 2021, 10:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

It has to do with hospital capacity.

If we threw in the towel all the time, we would go back to kings and tyrants.

But in this case, the king or tyrant would be covid itself, so could we really beat that though without getting our hands dirty for results?

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31 Dec 2021, 10:57 pm

I certainly wouldn’t throw in the towel under these circumstances.

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31 Dec 2021, 11:19 pm

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I certainly wouldn’t throw in the towel under these circumstances.

But you cannot do anything to force people to take it. Therefore restrictions are useless?

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01 Jan 2022, 12:36 am

It's a balancing act.
Mandatory vaccines would be leaning too far one way (in my opinion), but giving up restrictions entirely would be leaning too far the other.

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01 Jan 2022, 12:40 am

ironpony wrote:

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I certainly wouldn’t throw in the towel under these circumstances.

But you cannot do anything to force people to take it. Therefore restrictions are useless?

Why do we keep discussing the same thing in circles?

Restrictions aren’t useless. With enough people responsibly abiding by them it slows the spread and keeps hospitals from being overwhelmed. We’ve covered this several times over already.

Whatever, though. All of this is slowly but surely becoming moot. The covid that’s going around now is milder with fewer people hospitalized and those that are aren’t anywhere near as severe as last year, in general. Covid will hopefully co tongue to mutate, weaken, and fizzle out over the next 3-6 months.

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01 Jan 2022, 12:42 am

Vaccine mandates HAVE inspired vaccinations.

Why are you so much into “throwing in the towel”? I certainly try not to throw in mine within any aspect of my life.

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01 Jan 2022, 12:45 am

goldfish21 wrote:

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I certainly wouldn’t throw in the towel under these circumstances.

But you cannot do anything to force people to take it. Therefore restrictions are useless?

Maybe I'm just too pessemistic. I just feel people said it will be gone in a few months two years ago and it just seemed to get worse. So the whole fizzling out I just don't buy into at all at this point. So I thought why not just accept it and throw in the towel. It's like cancer, no one can beat it, it seems.

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01 Jan 2022, 12:53 am

Yearly, or semi-annual COVID shots are perhaps in our future.

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