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24 Jan 2024, 1:07 am

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I don't think the state should be involved with romantic relationships at all, outside of recognizing marriages.


Why do you subjectively want the state to only rely on that? What if relationships go wrong before marriage and there is no help nearby? Where the hell are the partners and friends supposed to go if the police isn't subsidized enough by the state to enforce law and order on human relationships?


You don't need the police to have any specific focus on 'enforcing law and order on human relationships'.

If there's been a criminal action (like violence) police are already tasked with dealing with assaults. The fact that it occurred between people who are romantically involved is mostly irrelevant, only that an assault (or whatever criminal act) occurred.


The normal law enforcement police should do its job as any other police force. The forestallers are a specific law enforcement of the MAROF which helps ensure that order and harmony takes place among human relationships and that if anything goes bad, they will intervene without hesitation.


This sounds absurdly authoritarian while also incredibly unlikely to result in any actual positive change for society.

People would just become more private about their relationships and more resentful towards their totalitarian government.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:10 am

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So, why exactly should the state punish children who engage in sexual behaviour (aka engage in normal and healthy behaviours)?


How is sexual behavior between children morally acceptable? They're too young and may have complications in the future such as unwanted pregnancies and PTSD. Do not assume that this is "normal and healthy behavior". Children normally play with toys and play in playgrounds and sandboxes with their other youngster peers. What kind of a sick person would allow sexual intimacy between children?!


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24 Jan 2024, 1:14 am

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This sounds absurdly authoritarian while also incredibly unlikely to result in any actual positive change for society.

People would just become more private about their relationships and more resentful towards their totalitarian government.


Unless surveillance has something to say about it.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:19 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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So, why exactly should the state punish children who engage in sexual behaviour (aka engage in normal and healthy behaviours)?


How is sexual behavior between children morally acceptable? They're too young and may have complications in the future such as unwanted pregnancies and PTSD. Do not assume that this is "normal and healthy behavior". Children normally play with toys and play in playgrounds and sandboxes with their other youngster peers. What kind of a sick person would allow sexual intimacy between children?!


You're aware that people hit puberty long before they're considered adults, right? You're infantilizing teenagers and trying to portray me as the one with problems.

How many teenagers are still playing with toys in the sandbox compared to how many are trying to behave in age appropriate ways? :chin:

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This sounds absurdly authoritarian while also incredibly unlikely to result in any actual positive change for society.

People would just become more private about their relationships and more resentful towards their totalitarian government.


Unless surveillance has something to say about it.


The state has no right to violate people's privacy in the first place. You're just advocating for an unreasonable level of government intrusion into people's private lives.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:24 am

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You're aware that people hit puberty long before they're considered adults, right? You're infantilizing teenagers and trying to portray me as the one with problems.

How many teenagers are still playing with toys in the sandbox compared to how many are trying to behave in age appropriate ways?


That is usually age regression. It may have to do something with them being autistic or childhood trauma. These people also need to be appreciated, even if they may regress but they will not be allowed to act like babies and they have to move on a little.

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The state has no right to violate people's privacy in the first place. You're just advocating for an unreasonable level of government intrusion into people's private lives.


You said that people would try to hide themselves. I will not let pedophiles freely hide themselves and molest children. Same thing for abusers. They can hide but they can't run from JUSTICE!!


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24 Jan 2024, 1:36 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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You're aware that people hit puberty long before they're considered adults, right? You're infantilizing teenagers and trying to portray me as the one with problems.

How many teenagers are still playing with toys in the sandbox compared to how many are trying to behave in age appropriate ways?


That is usually age regression. It may have to do something with them being autistic or childhood trauma. These people also need to be appreciated, even if they may regress but they will not be allowed to act like babies and they have to move on a little.

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The state has no right to violate people's privacy in the first place. You're just advocating for an unreasonable level of government intrusion into people's private lives.


You said that people would try to hide themselves. I will not let pedophiles freely hide themselves and molest children. Same thing for abusers. They can hide but they can't run from JUSTICE!!


You still haven't directly addressed my questions, you've just gone on two tangents that fail to address my questions.

You've commented about an extremely tiny minority of teenagers and how you won't allow them to be treated like infants while ignoring that you intend on treating all teenagers like small children.

Also, minors who engage in sex acts with their peers aren't pedophiles, so that entire tangent is also nonsense. Harassing sexually active minors isn't justice, it's just state over-reach.


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24 Jan 2024, 1:41 am

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You've commented about an extremely tiny minority of teenagers and how you won't allow them to be treated like infants while ignoring that you intend on treating all teenagers like small children.

Also, minors who engage in sex acts with their peers aren't pedophiles, so that entire tangent is also nonsense. Harassing sexually active minors isn't justice, it's just state over-reach.


Firstly, teenagers are legally not adults and have a lot to learn. They can have autonomy but they must learn to respect moral values of all comrades and the socialism itself.

Second of, "harassing sexually active minors isn't justice" is a very questionable and suspicious statement. Why do you have to defend the rights of underaged people who literally are going to commit sexual assault before they turn 18? That goes against socialism and universal values!


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24 Jan 2024, 1:47 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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You've commented about an extremely tiny minority of teenagers and how you won't allow them to be treated like infants while ignoring that you intend on treating all teenagers like small children.

Also, minors who engage in sex acts with their peers aren't pedophiles, so that entire tangent is also nonsense. Harassing sexually active minors isn't justice, it's just state over-reach.


Firstly, teenagers are legally not adults and have a lot to learn. They can have autonomy but they must learn to respect moral values of all comrades and the socialism itself.

Second of, "harassing sexually active minors isn't justice" is a very questionable and suspicious statement. Why do you have to defend the rights of underaged people who literally are going to commit sexual assault before they turn 18? That goes against socialism and universal values!


Consensual sex acts are (by definition) not sexual assaults.

I acknowledge that teens aren't adults, that's why I support protecting them from adults.

You seem to be seeking to treat sexually active minors worse than most societies treat actual rapists.

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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


How exactly do you justify the state killing minors because they had consensual sex?

How is attempting to insert the state that deeply into the (consensual) sex lives of teenagers not absolutely creepy?


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24 Jan 2024, 1:51 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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You've commented about an extremely tiny minority of teenagers and how you won't allow them to be treated like infants while ignoring that you intend on treating all teenagers like small children.

Also, minors who engage in sex acts with their peers aren't pedophiles, so that entire tangent is also nonsense. Harassing sexually active minors isn't justice, it's just state over-reach.


Firstly, teenagers are legally not adults and have a lot to learn. They can have autonomy but they must learn to respect moral values of all comrades and the socialism itself.

Second of, "harassing sexually active minors isn't justice" is a very questionable and suspicious statement. Why do you have to defend the rights of underaged people who literally are going to commit sexual assault before they turn 18? That goes against socialism and universal values!


Consensual sex acts are (by definition) not sexual assaults.

I acknowledge that teens aren't adults, that's why I support protecting them from adults.

You seem to be seeking to treat sexually active minors worse than most societies treat actual rapists.

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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


How exactly do you justify the state killing minors because they had consensual sex?

How is attempting to insert the state that deeply into the (consensual) sex lives of teenagers not absolutely creepy?


Consentual or not, it cannot be performed before 18. Either be friends or be in romance but you will not f*****g consent to sex before 18! It's unacceptable!


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24 Jan 2024, 1:54 am

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Any underaged sex will be penalized and the perpetrators will be punished with a lifetime solitary confinement or the death penalty!


How exactly do you justify the state killing minors because they had consensual sex?

How is attempting to insert the state that deeply into the (consensual) sex lives of teenagers not absolutely creepy?


Teenagers have no right to consent to sex before 18. If the law says that the age of being considered an adult is 18 then it should be followed.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:09 am

Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?



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24 Jan 2024, 2:15 am

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Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?


They are fools. I don't care if it was consent. It's human evil to have sex below 18.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:16 am

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Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?
They are fools. I don't care if it was consent. It's human evil to have sex below 18.
Upon what do you base your version of morality?



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24 Jan 2024, 2:19 am

Fnord wrote:
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Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?
They are fools. I don't care if it was consent. It's human evil to have sex below 18.
Upon what do you base your version of morality?


That underaged sex is evil. I consider the age of 18 as the most acceptable given its worldwide usage. Anything below 18, consentual or not is against the cause of a prosperous human society.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:20 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?
They are fools. I don't care if it was consent. It's human evil to have sex below 18.
Upon what do you base your version of morality?
That underaged sex is evil. I consider the age of 18 as the most acceptable given its worldwide usage. Anything below 18, consentual or not is against the cause of a prosperous human society.
You are saying that underage sex is evil because underage sex is evil.  That is called "Circular Logic".  Upon what do you base your concept of 'Evil'?



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24 Jan 2024, 2:22 am

Uuuuh, most teenagers are hooking up these days and have for literally generations.

That alone is reason enough for society in general to reject this entire concept of government matchmakers.


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