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22 Aug 2008, 10:30 pm

well it's pretty busy here too, you often get an immediate response unlike the rest of the site, so you have to take into account the social thing. They mostly all know each other and have been at it for ages. aeons.



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22 Aug 2008, 10:39 pm

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well it's pretty busy here too, you often get an immediate response unlike the rest of the site, so you have to take into account the social thing. They mostly all know each other and have been at it for ages. aeons.

True that, we all know each other pretty well here. BTW, has anyone seen Kallister lately? He was always funny.


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22 Aug 2008, 10:41 pm

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I am accepted week-round, year-round, for all of my life thus far. It's not just a few hours on Sunday. I'm down at my church for much of the week while I'm not at school. I can't even remember any time, at any point in the week, that I've felt unwelcome...

A Christian church? A real Christian church? Where is this place of miracles?

Northern New Jersey, also known as not in the so-called "Bible Belt"...

Well ... to far from southern California to just "drop in" for a visit ... no way for you to provide evidence to support your claim ... so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

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Sorry you have to be so far away... But I do know that there are many of these churches throughout the nation. They're the ones that are actually busy leading lives prescribed by the Christian faith, rather than pointing out that others don't and bitching and moaning about it...



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22 Aug 2008, 10:44 pm

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I am accepted week-round, year-round, for all of my life thus far. It's not just a few hours on Sunday. I'm down at my church for much of the week while I'm not at school. I can't even remember any time, at any point in the week, that I've felt unwelcome...

A Christian church? A real Christian church? Where is this place of miracles?

Northern New Jersey, also known as not in the so-called "Bible Belt"...

Well ... to far from southern California to just "drop in" for a visit ... no way for you to provide evidence to support your claim ... so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

Best wishes.


Sorry you have to be so far away... But I do know that there are many of these churches throughout the nation. They're the ones that are actually busy leading lives prescribed by the Christian faith, rather than pointing out that others don't and bitching and moaning about it...


Those Types of churches are easy to find. Pick up the yellow pages and look at "Churches (Non-denominational)". These are generally the more live and love instead of live and shove this down non-believer's throats.


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22 Aug 2008, 10:56 pm

I can understand the objections to rants that have no real effect on basic core beliefs but the world is now and has, for a long time, been in real trouble over illogical and destructive traditions. Now, more than ever, when computers and cell phones are drawing the world together and permitting isolated and sequestered cultures to interact dynamically and , unfortunately, destructively there is a desperate need for a basic understanding that human potentials for compassion and tolerance and fundamental decency must be developed and utilized for survival. The old illogical ways are proving insufficient for the sustenance of a planet that is already overloaded with a humanity that doesn't understand that the highly complicated and integrated systems developed over millions of years to permit life as we know it to exist is rapidly breaking down. In a few short years the problems with energy, food, water, health care, population, pollution, breathable air, and several other basics plus violently discordant beliefs will erupt in world wide conflicts and mass destruction of both humans and the rest of our necessary systems. We can no longer merely ignore basic differences and somehow, if the chaos and misery is to be held down to a reasonable level, something will have to be done. And soon.



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22 Aug 2008, 11:10 pm

Good positive attitude! [/sarcasm]

But seriously, that is a major point. Our disconnect in empathy will cause many problems, over more than just belief systems, though those will play a key role. The world is already so separated and oppositional. How much more before all hell breaks loose?


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23 Aug 2008, 12:12 am

The good money is on 2013.


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23 Aug 2008, 12:43 am

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The good money is on 2013.


My bet is on 4000 AD. :roll: Hurray for telomerase! j/k :P



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23 Aug 2008, 2:05 am

Nah, 4000 C.E. is way too far ahead for me.
I'd rather live to see the end of the world. Think of all the witty last words to be said that no-one would ever hear!


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23 Aug 2008, 3:16 am

ATHEHISTORY

With no God
To spare or not the rod
Blasphemy
Is in the past for me.
The lightning and the thunder
Comprise
No surprise,
No surmise
Of imaginary super guys.
Mere atmospheric wonder.
Cloudy farts from parts
Purely electronic,
Flash and sonic,
Nothing demonic.
No Zeus on the loose
To discipline or goose
Bad behavior.
No sharp remark
From an angry savior.
Just a blast
Aimlessly cast.
Largely sounded
Just to check
If you’re safely grounded.



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23 Aug 2008, 3:44 am

Time to fight king koopa!

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23 Aug 2008, 4:16 am

I just want to say that there are no crusades of atheists, since crusades are quite a religious thing... joking :D
I don't want to convince or convert anybody to atheism (also quite a religious thing :wink:). Do whatever you like, believe whatever you like, but I think I am entitled to give my opinion and say what I think on this forum. I am an atheist and I think there's nothing wrong with it.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:31 am

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one? bahaha! what was i trying to say the other day, before the christian crusade went beserk. I just said how does it add up, that humans have only been around for thousands of years, but the earth has been here for millions/billions, and Adam and Eve were put on the earth shortky after God "created" it. No-one actually tried to answer, you just went mental.

You were called stupid because you were incapable of even understanding, much less articulating, your position, and because you used a flimsy straw man argument. And BTW, most of the people arguing against you were atheist or agnostic. I would hardly call that a Christian Crusade. And no one went "mental," we just dismissed your argument as the nonsense it was and then you started a flame war. No where has anyone on this forum claimed that people are stupid simply for questioning religion.



Why does someone have to have an IQ over 150 to be able to question something? I just tried to ask a simple question, that still you or anyone else has failed to answer. Well no, most of them were christians, but the other were aspie Americans, so your bound not to understand me. How is it nonsense? Its a pretty good point I think, and I know other people who think the same, and they say its the one question christians can't answer. You were just as much to blame for what broke out.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:36 am

There is something very central to the psyche of religious people about their beliefs and if they were persuaded to give them up they would be in terrible psychological misery. Of course the stories of Adam and Eve are amusing nonsense with no justification in reality but do not ask religious people to commit psychological suicide.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:38 am

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There is something very central to the psyche of religious people about their beliefs and if they were persuaded to give them up they would be in terrible psychological misery. Of course the stories of Adam and Eve are amusing nonsense with no justification in reality but do not ask religious people to commit psychological suicide.


yeah. But they could just say I can't explain that, instead of trying to find other ways to insult me, cause they have no answer for my question.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:42 am

I posted this elsewhere but I will post it here too.

I have been considering the idea that god may be an interested observer. A scientist of sorts who watches and does not interfere. He does not want to change the rules by acting in the universe like human scientists observing animal behaviour try not to change the rules by not interfering with animals. If this is the case, then god does not want people to believe in him without evidence and since he does not provide evidence, it is right not to believe in him. Perhaps if there is an afterlife god will be annoyed in the theists for going against his will that humans not know about his existence. This would be a highly ironic situation. The theists are the blasphemers not the agnostics or atheists.

I am an agnostic so I cannot say one way or another but I do not have any evidence to suggest that god does exist.