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31 Aug 2008, 12:53 am

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Question for all of you 911CTers:

"Why haven't you taken all of your 'evidence' to be heard in court (any court, foreign or domestic), instead of screaming about it on street corners and spamming websites that are dedicated to another cause?"

I mean, if the evidence has an real validity, you should be able to find some lawyer, somewhere, who will take the case for you.


I've been asking the same question... best answer I can com up with is, they can't find an expert witness who agrees with their findings...



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31 Aug 2008, 12:58 am

jrknothead wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Question for all of you 911CTers:

"Why haven't you taken all of your 'evidence' to be heard in court (any court, foreign or domestic), instead of screaming about it on street corners and spamming websites that are dedicated to another cause?"

I mean, if the evidence has an real validity, you should be able to find some lawyer, somewhere, who will take the case for you.

I've been asking the same question... best answer I can com up with is, they can't find an expert witness who agrees with their findings...

Why not use one of the so-called 'experts' that made the findings in the first place? Aren't they credible enough? Or is it thier utter lack of relevant credentials that stands in the way?

I mean, the real experts have educations in exactly the fields needed to prove the 911CTer claims, while the people who made those claims in the first place ... don't.


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31 Aug 2008, 11:18 am

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OK, this is SO not my issue, but answer me this:

Don't we live with hoards of combustibles that warn us to keep them away from high heat? Don't many things explode in the face of high heat? So wouldn't an unusually intensely hot fire set them off? Wouldn't explosions happen during an intense fire? Which would make it entirely possible all these multiple explosions you all referred to were a natural side effect, and not something planned?


Whatever it is that you're referring to that was stored in the world trade centers would have to be stored then in all three buildings that collapsed. Was it gas?.. gas cant melt steel upon exploding, and to me it's not simply the fact that there were explosions but the fact that the buildings fell at free fall speed. All the buildings fell exactly the same way and it seems so rediculously obvious why.


Read the labels on your everyday household and office products. I'm talking run of the mill stuff. Quite a bit of it notes right on the packaging that it's combustible. It doesn't have to be gas or anything usual to blow up. You all were talking about the explosions the workers heard, correct? Well, I'm offering an explanation for those secondary explosions. Right from the top of my own little head, using my own common sense and life experience.


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31 Aug 2008, 12:36 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
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DW_a_mom wrote:
OK, this is SO not my issue, but answer me this:

Don't we live with hoards of combustibles that warn us to keep them away from high heat? Don't many things explode in the face of high heat? So wouldn't an unusually intensely hot fire set them off? Wouldn't explosions happen during an intense fire? Which would make it entirely possible all these multiple explosions you all referred to were a natural side effect, and not something planned?


Whatever it is that you're referring to that was stored in the world trade centers would have to be stored then in all three buildings that collapsed. Was it gas?.. gas cant melt steel upon exploding, and to me it's not simply the fact that there were explosions but the fact that the buildings fell at free fall speed. All the buildings fell exactly the same way and it seems so rediculously obvious why.


Read the labels on your everyday household and office products. I'm talking run of the mill stuff. Quite a bit of it notes right on the packaging that it's combustible. It doesn't have to be gas or anything usual to blow up. You all were talking about the explosions the workers heard, correct? Well, I'm offering an explanation for those secondary explosions. Right from the top of my own little head, using my own common sense and life experience.


Oh, so a bottle of windex or compressed air cans are going to make explosions big enough to echoe through the streets?.. and you really believe that?

I've always thought it takes more will power to believe what the government wants you to believe then to believe the truth.. it takes a lot of reliabiity, and sacraficing of common sense.. what you're saying is not common sense, it's just crazy..



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31 Aug 2008, 1:19 pm

I was in a bookstore with large glass windows once, and a fairly minor traffic collision (rear-ender @ maybe 30 mph) half a football field away was so loud that it caused the windows to visibly bow in. None of them broke, but if the collision had been nearer, I bet it would have.

I bet an exploding gallon jug of ammonia would easily be heard a block away - or, for that matter, traffic collisions around the corner and unseen, from people looking up at the buildings instead of where they were driving. Nobody mentions cars crashing because the buildings and the tragedy are so overwhelmingly more important than somebody totaling their car, but I'd be surprised if a few didn't happen.



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31 Aug 2008, 1:39 pm

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I was in a bookstore with large glass windows once, and a fairly minor traffic collision (rear-ender @ maybe 30 mph) half a football field away was so loud that it caused the windows to visibly bow in. None of them broke, but if the collision had been nearer, I bet it would have.

I bet an exploding gallon jug of ammonia would easily be heard a block away - or, for that matter, traffic collisions around the corner and unseen, from people looking up at the buildings instead of where they were driving. Nobody mentions cars crashing because the buildings and the tragedy are so overwhelmingly more important than somebody totaling their car, but I'd be surprised if a few didn't happen.


No if you watch the video it's not from car crashing..

Although while I admit the possibility of other things making the noise, it's not the thing alone that makes me think demolition was the reason teh towers came down.. it's because they all came down exactly the same way.. even building 7 which was not hit by a plane :roll: This is what im referring to as common sense.. I understand it is possible for building 7 that there was a fire.

But Fires do NOT bring steel structures down.. Never in the history of man.. they bring down Wooden houses, not bloody steel structures.. and most CERTAINLY not at freefall speed..



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31 Aug 2008, 1:56 pm

In my line of work I work very closely with the fire service, and minor things do explode during big fires, but it's usually not noticeable above the noise of the fire - and the wood popping, structural warping in the heat etc kinds of noises - unless it's gas cylinders, which do explode with a good bang and will be taken out and cordoned off and cooled (obviously not in the case) but given that the most likely cylinders to have been in those buildings would be for heating or something rather than massive ones they probably wouldn't go with the force these would have to be noticeable above the chaos going on in a setting like 9/11, certainly not enough for people to note the explosions the way they were in the immediate aftermath and before they fell (you can look on youtube for the initial reports that came in on CNN and BBC etc etc). The size they'd have needed to have been would have been somewhat unusual to be stored in the WTC in offices, let alone all up every single floor of the building and in the basements too!!

Also, there were reports of explosions from far below the fire and - though there are conflicting reports of this - just prior to the planes actually hitting, so the exploding from heat theory couldn't be applied to that.

Remember the workmen in there just weeks earlier...


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31 Aug 2008, 2:35 pm

Can we move this to PPR? As much as I don't want raving conspiracy loons stirring up trouble there, this does not belong in Current Events.


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31 Aug 2008, 2:44 pm

Technically speaking, anyone who comments at all on this thread is a 'raving conspiracy loon', regardless of what they believe or say.


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31 Aug 2008, 2:46 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
Technically speaking, anyone who comments at all on this thread is a 'raving conspiracy loon', regardless of what they believe or say.

Not necessarily. I made a sarcastic comment and a request for better organization on the forum, with no comment as to what may have happened on 9/11.

it is true, that 9/11 is not news, nor a current event. Moving to PPR.

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31 Aug 2008, 2:51 pm

I agree, PPR is the appropriate board for it. But your slur against anyone who believes something other than what Bush n Co tell you annoyed me. The official line is a conspiracy as much as the 'inside job' theory, and everyone here is raving somewhat. You've had a go at virtually everyone posting.


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31 Aug 2008, 3:02 pm

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I agree, PPR is the appropriate board for it. But your slur against anyone who believes something other than what Bush n Co tell you annoyed me. The official line is a conspiracy as much as the 'inside job' theory, and everyone here is raving somewhat. You've had a go at virtually everyone posting.

:lmao: :lol: Seriously? I hate Bush as much as the next guy. Not everyone in this thread was raving. The official line does involve a conspiracy, but in conventional use "conspiracy theory" is most often used to describe a government-funded conspiracy. Whether you agree with this usage is irrelevant, that is how the term is used. And "I've had a go at virtually everyone posting?" I'm not sure what you mean. I've debated several posters on this thread before in PPR, but usually not to the point of flamewar. And I haven't explicitly mocked or criticized any specific person on this thread- yet.


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31 Aug 2008, 4:12 pm

Here goes the truth!

911 was an inside job made by the democrats under the Clinton's dark regimee, to defy, hurt and blame Bush and the republican party for it.

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31 Aug 2008, 4:34 pm

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Here goes the truth!

911 was an inside job made by the democrats under the Clinton's dark regimee, to defy, hurt and blame Bush and the republican party for it.

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of course, you have documentation and the 'proof' of your statement. I mean, it is so easy to say. . but backing it up of course, is the sore spot. I could say the Stay Puft Marshmallow man did it, but with out proof. . or someone with an axe to grind against ol' Softy (the Staypuft guy) it is just a myth.

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31 Aug 2008, 4:41 pm

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of course, you have documentation and the 'proof' of your statement. I mean, it is so easy to say. . but backing it up of course, is the sore spot.

Of course! it was very easy to make this conspiracy up, the hard part is to gain followers though.

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I could say the Stay Puft Marshmallow man did it, but with out proof. . or someone with an axe to grind against ol' Softy (the Staypuft guy) it is just a myth.

I remember seeing some footage of him somewhere in the 80's.


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31 Aug 2008, 5:14 pm

I've always believed strongly that it's important to know WHY.. not WHAT.. why is the only way of defining what is really hapening..

and Bill Clinton had nothing to do with it.. the real reason is New World Order, which was not Bill Clinton's idea.. this is something that has been happening for a LONG time, and only NOW is it starting to be realised.. the same godamn thing happened in Hittler's regime. . the only difference between THAT, and THIS, is that THIS is actually working.. because NOW they can easily brainwash the masses with Media propoganda.. believe whatever they tell you..

The Illuminati were behind Hittler just the same way they are behind the American Presidency...