Pro or anti abortion?

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as it is an organism it is still life in my opinion

cybershooter: bacteriophages are viruses.

The question of abortion isn't about 'life.' We kill living things all the time, from bacteria on up to other human beings (death penalty, anyone? Brain-dead accident victims having their organs harvested?). The question is about humanity.

We consider a human 'dead' when we can no longer read human brain activity on an EEG, and can harvest their body for organs even when (or especially when) their heart is still beating and every other organ is still functional. Why not use the same standard at the beginning of life? Human EEG readings don't show up until the end of the 2nd trimester. Before that, there shouldn't be any restrictions on abortion.

The issue is to the majority of people, human life is *important*, where as animal life is of course not. Animals don't have souls remember?

I don't like most pro-choice people's attitudes. They claim to be pro-choice yet snear at someone's personal decision to keep their child.

People often leave out that alot of women end up going through some sad times after aborting and triggering nightmares. Sometimes resentment towards other women that went through their pregnancies and if walking in places with children a feeling of bitterness over it.

If you mention any of the negatives, the pro-abortion (pro-choice they claim but it's obvious they aren't) will hiss and get rude about it.

Pro-choice implies that you are accepting of someone's choice no matter what but it's often just a word to mask someone's real intent.

I do however know people who are pro-choice and they really do accept someone's decision to not abort but I've met more who were the opposite and would brow beat a pregnant woman by saying "You aren't being responsible." "What about your life?" "What about YOUR education?" "What about the feminists rights movement??"

Those are perversion tactics in every single movement used from people who want to harness a movement to twist up agendas just so they can have power over others.

Then we have pro-life people. Yet another misused term. If you are so pro-life then why on one hand are you standing up for unborn children but endorsing children dying in war?

Extremist bullies are more into playing the role of the correction officer than actually doing the right thing by what is supposed to be their code of ethics.

Everyone here was an unborn child. The term fetus means unborn child by the way. No matter what words you use to cover it up, that is what it means.

Anyone born after abortion became legal should thank their mother. There would be no wrongplanet if our parents were as selfish as the me me crowd of today.

Talking about selfishness, I often wonder why people want to have children in the first place, is that a selfish act? I think there is some of it, they would want to have children for self-satisfaction and self joy, on the other hand, it seems that most are born due to unplanned accidents.

I mean, if the world is a dark place why bringing kids to live in this world and risk them suffering? Why can't I say that I love my children so much that I would prevent them to comming to this world? (I am not talking about abortion btw)

Last edited by greenblue on 04 Sep 2008, 1:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

My mother is and was pro-choice. I am glad to know that she had me because she wanted me, not because she was forced to have me through emotional or legal bullying.

How odd, of all the very many pro-choicers and their arguments that I've encountered (including the literally hundreds I've encountered online), I've never encountered what you claim is the attitude of most.....not even once.


Logic like this is highly flawed. I did not put in a birth-request/order form. I would never have suffered if I had not been born, and would lack the capacity to miss any of life's good things. Not being born would not hurt, and I'd never have to concern myself with or experience death if I had not been born.

To be blunt, I'm neither glad nor sad that I was born. There are drawbacks to being born, and those who are not born lack the capacity to miss the good stuff, so are no worse off for not encountering it. Once you're born, it's best to make the most of it I would opine, however, I see no reason to get emotional about the possibility of never having existed. It's not like someone who does not exist and never did, can miss themselves.


I was procreated for a particular purpose; in my particular case, I think selfish probably accurately describes the decision to procreate. I'm not complaining about being born, however, I'm very confident I would not be complaining were I not born.

Exactly, and a very good point, that is why I don't get some anti-abortion people saying that they would not be here if their parents decided to abort and things like that, I have heard few saying that.

Never gaining consciousness might be truely a gift

Having children is not a selfish act and you either are a spinner of reality or have listened to others version of reality a little too long.

You sacrifice when you have children. If you are never going to have kids, that's fine but until the day that you do, I don't think you really get what is involved with raising a child and babysitting doesn't count!

it's selfisch to think of sex first and of the babies later

oh no, another spin artist. Nice try.

There are many options of birth control too and if you never want to have kids, get an operation. There were also hissing fits over partial birth abortions that aren't even necessary to save a mother's life.

You can tell that people who defend partial birth abortion don't really care about new life.

So let's get something straight.

Abortion is good.

Aborting autistic children is bad.

Abortion isn't easy but with this choice there is a time limit. Think about all the females that are pressured into it and have to live with that decision everyday of their lives? I'm fairly sure a liberal female is going to speak about how great her experience was though because this seems to be a common theme.

Well if it was good for you, you slept soundly, you had no nightmares...good for you. Want a cookie? Either that or you are someone with no conscious and perhaps a little sociopathic?

Well it isn't pro-choice after you dig deep enough to see that alot of pro-choicers will come up with reasons why you should abort.

It's pro-abortion and pro-life is really anti-abortion.

Pro-life if it were pro-life, more of their members would care about all the children that are dying in a war.

a spin artist, no I am a multimedia artist, no sh*****g. But you got a point there with...what about all the ladies who get pregnant to force their boyfriend into marrying them. Those who force their boyfriend to become father. Plenty of reasons (in my case her biological clock was ticking and she wanted a baby, not me, that wasn't important enough).
So yes most have sex for fun and enjoy not reallly because they think of wanting children and contraception? Well my lady had an excuse: pills are not 100% safe , she said

Oh no, now it's all the woman's fault. Why didn't you get a vasectomy if you don't want children? What about those condoms? What about the shot?

There is no longer any excuse. This isn't the 70's where there were limited birth control options. We have all of that now and in many forms. Refusal to be either a responsible sex addict or a responsible parent just all boils down to laziness.

"IT WASNT ME, IT WAS MY PENIS"

This is what is wrong with our society. People want something else to blame.

To be honest, I was too naive and took litterally what she proposed and abused my trust in her.
We had sex for a long time with condom until she said, can't we have sex without, don't you trust me, don't worry I am on the pill.

She had it all figured out and even accused me later of accusing her sister of being a liar (her sis told me that she had it all planned).

I have come to the conclusion that all women are like black widows. Firts they date and then mate adn when finally they get that they want (a baby) then they kill the dad. That's what a black widow does and for humans killing a man is only a matter of killing him psychologically or spiritually.

Most of men become just a serf for the ladies and crave for the days when they could go playing football with the boys, that's why they hang out so long with the boys in the pub.

I hate nagging b*****s

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