02 May 2009, 3:42 pm
02 May 2009, 3:45 pm
Henriksson wrote:
Debate with you is pretty pointless if you're just being incredulous.
Slow, is the word!
( see my last post above)
I realised after a couple of minutes what you might have meant/been referring to, but I still don't quite know what your position on that angle is.
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02 May 2009, 3:50 pm
ouinon wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Debate with you is pretty pointless if you're just being incredulous.
Slow, is the word!
( see my last post above)I realised after a couple of minutes what you might have meant/been referring to, but I still don't quite know what your position on that angle is.
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1. You're postulating that a metaphor of everything that exists is necessary for 'beauty', 'truth' and 'justice' to be meaningful.
2. Because of #1, you're suggesting that we should believe in this metaphor.
You've yet to show why #1 is true, and how #2 follow from #1.
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02 May 2009, 5:18 pm
ouinon wrote:
Arguments against the value and/or existence and/or importance and/or power of "god" undermine the value, power, importance, existence, etc of every other symbol ( word ) in the system called language.
Or you could say that "god" is taking the heat for the unconscious but growing disillusionment/disenchantment with language taught by buddhism and to which the West was first exposed to any extent about 100-150 years ago. People don't sit around attacking the symbol "tree" with as much venom as they do "god".
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02 May 2009, 5:24 pm
ouinon wrote:
ouinon wrote:
Arguments against the value and/or existence and/or importance and/or power of "god" undermine the value, power, importance, existence, etc of every other symbol ( word ) in the system called language.
Or you could say that "god" is taking the heat for the unconscious but growing disillusionment/disenchantment with language taught by buddhism and to which the West was first exposed to any extent about 100-150 years ago. People don't sit around attacking the symbol "tree" with as much venom as they do "god".
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Wikipedia wrote:
A tree is a perennial woody plant. It is most often defined as a woody plant that has many secondary branches supported clear of the ground on a single main stem or trunk with clear apical dominance.[1] A minimum height specification at maturity is cited by some authors, varying from 3 m[2] to 6 m;[3] some authors set a minimum of 10 cm trunk diameter (30 cm girth).[4] Woody plants that do not meet these definitions by having multiple stems and/or small size, are called shrubs. Compared with most other plants, trees are long-lived, some reaching several thousand years old and growing to up to 115 m (379 ft) high.[5]
Trees are an important component of the natural landscape because of their prevention of erosion and the provision of a weather-sheltered ecosystem in and under their foliage. Trees also play an important role in producing oxygen and reducing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as well as moderating ground temperatures. They are also elements in landscaping and agriculture, both for their aesthetic appeal and their orchard crops (such as apples). Wood from trees is a building material, as well as a primary energy source in many developing countries. Trees also play a role in many of the world's mythologies (see trees in mythology). As of 2005, there were approximately 400 billion trees on Earth, about 61 per person.[6]
Trees are an important component of the natural landscape because of their prevention of erosion and the provision of a weather-sheltered ecosystem in and under their foliage. Trees also play an important role in producing oxygen and reducing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as well as moderating ground temperatures. They are also elements in landscaping and agriculture, both for their aesthetic appeal and their orchard crops (such as apples). Wood from trees is a building material, as well as a primary energy source in many developing countries. Trees also play a role in many of the world's mythologies (see trees in mythology). As of 2005, there were approximately 400 billion trees on Earth, about 61 per person.[6]
I think the existance of trees are a given. God(s) however, have yet to be shown.
02 May 2009, 5:46 pm
Henriksson wrote:
ouinon wrote:
You could say that "god" is taking the heat for the unconscious but growing disillusionment/disenchantment with language taught by buddhism. People don't sit around attacking the symbol "tree" with as much venom as they do "god".
I think the existence of trees are a given. God(s) however, have yet to be shown.According to language this is the same thing:
"Tree" doesn't exist, except as a symbol, like 1, 2, and 3 do. It is an "ideal", an approximation, like a sketch. To adequately describe these two "things" you would need to specify not only species, age, and location but every branch and leaf, and the population of insects and birds. "Tree" is as subjective a thing as "god".
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