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09 Sep 2016, 6:43 pm

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Trying to compare Powell to Clinton is very dishonest as what they did is not comparable no matter how many times the Clinton campaign repeats it. If Powell did what Hillary did then go ahead and prosecute him but he didn't so it's a moot point.


Really?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/c ... ent-115870

He seems to have deleted all of his emails.

"“I don’t have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files,” Powell said. “A lot of the emails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and state.gov domain, but I don’t know if the servers in the State Department captured those or not. “"

"The emails he sent were all unclassified, mostly “benign,” he said, and probably not important even if they can be recovered."

Everyone just seems to be taking his word for it. Yet even when Hillary is cleared by the FBI Republicans still won't let it go. And despite what you claim, any body else would have been as well, as Comey has said. It's very clear that this whole thing has been a political witch hunt since the beginning. Right now the Republicans are following the big lie theory. They're just hoping that if they just keep repeating it as though it is fact loud enough and often enough that people will start to believe it. Unfortunately this strategy can be effective. The idea that people can put someone as qualified and intelligent as Hillary Clinton in the same boat as Trump is proof of that. The amount examples of his misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, miserly, dishonest and predatory acts are so vast that it astounds me that anyone can see him as anything but a charlatan and a bully. The man suggested the U.S. should commit war crimes to fight ISIS. That right there should be disqualifying.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/world/tru ... index.html

He is now about to be sued for ripping off children.

http://www.wptv.com/news/national/fathe ... e-campaign

And a bunch of his policy staffers quit for non-payment. Something he has been accused of over and over again.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/ ... isors-quit

The guy is a con man, plain and simple.



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09 Sep 2016, 7:31 pm

Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.



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09 Sep 2016, 8:10 pm

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Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.


Are you familiar with confirmation bias? I'm seeing a text book example of it going on here.



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09 Sep 2016, 8:22 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.


Are you familiar with confirmation bias? I'm seeing a text book example of it going on here.


Not an argument.



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09 Sep 2016, 8:25 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.


Are you familiar with confirmation bias? I'm seeing a text book example of it going on here.


Not an argument.


Why debate someone who eschews facts in favor of blind partisanship?



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09 Sep 2016, 8:28 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.


Are you familiar with confirmation bias? I'm seeing a text book example of it going on here.


Not an argument.


Why debate someone who eschews facts in favor of blind partisanship?


Still not an argument.



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09 Sep 2016, 8:48 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Colin Powell wasn't served a subpoena to preserve all his emails, it wasn't an attempt to skirt open government laws, he didn't lie, it's just comparable at all so sorry but no.

As for Trump, lets see any of those lawsuits actually go somewhere. Being sued by people in civil courts is not the same as being criminally investigated by the FBI. You take people's word against Trump, why? You don't even acknowledge the evidence against the Clinton's but are willing to believe whatever wacky hearsay tabloid BS about Trump.

Trump didn't pay "advisors" who had no contract and had just an alleged verbal agreement with no dollar amont with a former campaign manager to do what work exactly even? Wouldn't that be more of an issue with Corey Lewandowski who allegedly made these promises? It says in the article that they were never acknowledged by the candidate or ever given any money, who works full time for months and months without getting paid? Unnamed sources strike again! How many times have we heard complete and utter lies about the inner workings of the Trump campaign?

Congress just passed a bill allowing victims of 9/11 to sue for compensation, maybe they should sue the Clinton Foundation who took in $25 million from the Saudis while our foreign policy did their bidding.


Are you familiar with confirmation bias? I'm seeing a text book example of it going on here.


Not an argument.


Why debate someone who eschews facts in favor of blind partisanship?


Still not an argument.


You've ignored every peice of evidence I have presented and provided virtually none to support your stance. Like I said, a text book example of confirmation bias. Besides I have provided enough arguments and evidence to back them up and until you can back up your claims with legitimate sources, continuing on is pointless.



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09 Sep 2016, 9:06 pm

Obviously I don't find your 'evidence' very convincing, I can articulate and talk about whatever issue you want but you don't seem to want to discuss anything. You seem more keen on debating about me as a poster than any relevant topic, I feel like that's almost all you post about.

Was Colin Powell subpoenaed to preserve and turn over all his emails?



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09 Sep 2016, 9:09 pm

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Obviously I don't find your 'evidence' very convincing, I can articulate and talk about whatever issue you want but you don't seem to want to discuss anything. You seem more keen on debating about me as a poster than any relevant topic, I feel like that's almost all you post about.

Was Colin Powell subpoenaed to preserve and turn over all his emails?


Really? Because none of the links that I have been providing have been about you, they just contradict what you post.



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10 Sep 2016, 8:35 am

Not really, doesn't contradict anything. Maybe try something other than scouring google trying to respond to me, maybe try some original thoughts.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... index.html

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"To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it."

Clinton went on to say that some of these people were "irredeemable" and "not America."


What a disgusting sentiment from Hillary, 50% of Trump's supporters which is bigger than any minority population in this country are a 'basket of deplorables' that are 'irredeemable' and 'not America'? If Trump said this, people would be raising hell, this is basically the same Mitt Romney's '47%' comments. She can't beat Trump so she attacks his supporters, pathetic. Hillary is the enemy of America, she will be locked up sooner than later. 'Basket of deplorables' huh? So what do you call the billionaire donors on Wall Street? She is the candidate of Goldman Sachs, she is the candidate of foreign special interests, she is the candidate of all the failed policies of the past that have been destroying this country for decades. Her heart is black, corrupt to the core, SHE is irredeemable.

I like Trump's comments from last night

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"She could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching," Trump hypothesized, miming a gun with his fingers. "Right smack in the middle of the heart, and she wouldn't be prosecuted, okay? That's what happened. That is what's happened to our country."


Hillary cannot be trusted. It is clear she has absolute contempt for everyday Americans and with her total disregard for the law, she'll be drone striking us sooner than later probably.

She is such a poor campaigner and weak candidate, she needs to media basically to do it for her so all Trump has to do is stay disciplined and she will fall apart as she is now as her record is indefensible on top of her rampant corruption. Clinton supporters cry and scream sexism whenever somebody asks poor Hillary a question she doesn't want to answer, she's having press conferences now taking like 3 questions since if she stays any longer she might be asked something she doesn't like or go into a coughing fit. She will lose and be prosecuted, even if she wins she will join her husband and Andrew Johnson in getting impeached. As bad as Obama was, he wasn't someone embroiled in scandal constantly so it makes no sense about this imaginary 'vast right-wing conspiracy' targeting the Clinton's and only the Clinton's. If there was a conspiracy like that, all they'd have to do is pay her and she'll change her tune as she is someone without any ethics or principles.



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10 Sep 2016, 6:24 pm

Exclusive – Gov. Mike Pence: I Was ‘Taken Aback’ and ’Speechless’ About Hillary Clinton’s ‘Deplorable,’ ‘Irredeemable’ Comments About ‘Millions of Americans’ - Breitbart. http://tiny.iavian.net/c8yt

From the article :

"Pence had just wrapped a speech in which he also ripped Clinton for the remarks on Friday night, where she claimed that half of Trump’s supporters nationally—millions of people—were a “basket of deplorables” who were “irredeemable” and “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic.”
Pence said that he was “simply taken aback” by Hillary Clinton’s decision to castigate millions of Americans, and was “speechless” about it. He said such comments by anyone, including Clinton, mean that such a person “who has that low an opinion of millions of Americans should never be elected president of the United States. "

Gee, that's funny,. I've been called all those exact same names. Now I know where it all comes from - the horse's mouth.


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10 Sep 2016, 6:42 pm

angela, she's only saying what everyone else is thinking... oh, I'm sorry, I thought for a moment there you all love how that is a constant trait of your candidate, but you'd obviously hate it in anyone else... or, just hate anyone else.



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10 Sep 2016, 7:40 pm

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millions of people—were a “basket of deplorables” who were “irredeemable” and “racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic.”


The end stage of Leftism is always the "elimination" of the "irredeemable." The Weather Underground, headed by the terrorist Bill Ayers, Obama's old buddy, estimated that once they had seized control of the US government, about 25 million "irredeemable" people who wouldn't accept re-education would need to be "eliminated."


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10 Sep 2016, 7:53 pm

paranoid much?



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10 Sep 2016, 11:57 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Not really, doesn't contradict anything. Maybe try something other than scouring google trying to respond to me, maybe try some original thoughts.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/ ... index.html

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"To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it."

Clinton went on to say that some of these people were "irredeemable" and "not America."


What a disgusting sentiment from Hillary, 50% of Trump's supporters which is bigger than any minority population in this country are a 'basket of deplorables' that are 'irredeemable' and 'not America'? If Trump said this, people would be raising hell, this is basically the same Mitt Romney's '47%' comments. She can't beat Trump so she attacks his supporters, pathetic. Hillary is the enemy of America, she will be locked up sooner than later. 'Basket of deplorables' huh? So what do you call the billionaire donors on Wall Street? She is the candidate of Goldman Sachs, she is the candidate of foreign special interests, she is the candidate of all the failed policies of the past that have been destroying this country for decades. Her heart is black, corrupt to the core, SHE is irredeemable.

I like Trump's comments from last night

Quote:
"She could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching," Trump hypothesized, miming a gun with his fingers. "Right smack in the middle of the heart, and she wouldn't be prosecuted, okay? That's what happened. That is what's happened to our country."


Hillary cannot be trusted. It is clear she has absolute contempt for everyday Americans and with her total disregard for the law, she'll be drone striking us sooner than later probably.

She is such a poor campaigner and weak candidate, she needs to media basically to do it for her so all Trump has to do is stay disciplined and she will fall apart as she is now as her record is indefensible on top of her rampant corruption. Clinton supporters cry and scream sexism whenever somebody asks poor Hillary a question she doesn't want to answer, she's having press conferences now taking like 3 questions since if she stays any longer she might be asked something she doesn't like or go into a coughing fit. She will lose and be prosecuted, even if she wins she will join her husband and Andrew Johnson in getting impeached. As bad as Obama was, he wasn't someone embroiled in scandal constantly so it makes no sense about this imaginary 'vast right-wing conspiracy' targeting the Clinton's and only the Clinton's. If there was a conspiracy like that, all they'd have to do is pay her and she'll change her tune as she is someone without any ethics or principles.


Only half? Really? She can not even slip up correctly. :D
I have seen this view about conservatives, republicans, people who do not live on the coasts nearly everyday online for almost 20 years now.


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11 Sep 2016, 11:29 am

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/11/politics/ ... index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09 ... -says.html

Hillary apparently had some sort of medical emergency at the 9/11 Memorial today, they're trying to play it off as overheating but it was only 80 degrees.

There is a video on Twitter that appears to show her being led away by her doctor and secret service into a black van, she appears to being held up and feints being lifted into the van. Apparently she lost a shoe too.

Her health is not a conspiracy

https://mobile.twitter.com/zgazda66/sta ... 00/video/1