The Truth AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH: 2016 Election

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11 Sep 2016, 12:11 pm

Yeah, it's obvious Hillary has one foot in the grave and another on a banana peal. *Snicker*


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11 Sep 2016, 7:18 pm

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Hillary apparently had some sort of medical emergency at the 9/11 Memorial today, they're trying to play it off as overheating but it was only 80 degrees.

80 degrees Fahrenheit is 26 degrees Celsius. That's hot.

Clinton's remarks might not have been wise, both politically and for the country/planet. Yes, Trump supporters support an open and proud Islamophobe and xenophobe. If you help evil people get power then you don't get to be outraged when people criticise you for it. And let's not beat about the bush: Trump is an evil man, completely unfit to be president.

But Clinton has to be the President for these people too. I don't think she should court their votes. She should try to be the best candidate possible, but she shouldn't compromise her values to attract Trump supporters (unless he really is right about something), she should have better values in order to attract supporters. But my point is that she can't go around insulting the citizens she is soon going to be responsible for. She needs to heal the divisions which Trump has exploited. That's probably not an easy task but she can't just ignore it, or things will only get harder for her.

If she wants to attack the idea of supporting Trump, she should say something like "we need to forgive people who support Trump and are risking this man becoming president". Emphasise that although Trumpism is reckless and misguided at best, supporting Trump does not make you an irredeemable person and you have a place in Clinton's America.

Of course, it's Clinton, so it might not be seen as sincere. But you can attack Trump and call out his supporters for enabling him without directly attacking and alienating half of those supporters.



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11 Sep 2016, 7:49 pm

she has pneumonia. explains the cough, too. nothing you or i couldn't get.



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12 Sep 2016, 1:02 am

I'm wondering if she didn't get aspiration pneumonia from possible stroke symptoms - that could be why she can't walk too.

The latest:

Hillary Clinton left 9/11 memorial ceremony after feeling "overheated". http://tiny.iavian.net/c98v

Hillary Clinton’s health just became a real issue in the presidential campaign. http://tiny.iavian.net/c98h

Hillary Clinton's doctor has revealed the 68-year-old has pneumonia. http://tiny.iavian.net/c9gw


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12 Sep 2016, 1:08 am

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angela, she's only saying what everyone else is thinking... oh, I'm sorry, I thought for a moment there you all love how that is a constant trait of your candidate, but you'd obviously hate it in anyone else... or, just hate anyone else.


Dude, I never can understand what you're saying. It's like you're speaking in a totally different language - speak English for once. Jesus.


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12 Sep 2016, 3:33 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Hillary apparently had some sort of medical emergency at the 9/11 Memorial today, they're trying to play it off as overheating but it was only 80 degrees.

80 degrees Fahrenheit is 26 degrees Celsius. That's hot.



Maybe in England but 80 is literally what I have my AC set to :P :D

If she's overheating at 80 or probably below 80 really since this was earlier in the morning when it happened I think, definitely not hot enough for someone to be having heat stroke and to be losing consciousness while still calling themselves healthy.

Some rumblings about a secret meeting at the DNC to discuss contingencies in case they need to replace her but she would need to make that decision ASAP

The whole pneumonia story seems dubious, she's embracing 'random children' on the street with a contagious infection? That photo op didn't make a lot of sense. It goes from overheating to pneumonia to photo op with child?

One thing I was thinking is maybe vertigo from post concussion symptoms, it can be a horrible crippling affliction as we in this country have become aware of from the head injuries in football. It seems clear to me that she has some sort of long running chronic issue.

There is some vindication on my part and I'm sure plenty others who have been called conspiracy theorists for questioning Hillary's health. Let's hope for a quick recovery! :P



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12 Sep 2016, 12:16 pm

There's no cure for the sickness that is Trump.



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12 Sep 2016, 1:00 pm

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There's no cure for the sickness that is Trump.


Well, a vote for Hillary is a good start.



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12 Sep 2016, 2:11 pm

pneumonia is rarely contagious--to people with normal immune systems.



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12 Sep 2016, 3:17 pm

kk, depending on the type of pneumonia, it can be very contagious. some types, most of us have the germs in our body and are keeping them in check. other types such as mycoplasma and influenza are contagious.



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12 Sep 2016, 3:18 pm

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There's no cure for the sickness that is Trump.


Well, a vote for Hillary is a good start.


Personally, there's no cure for the sicknesses known as Trump and Billery. I'm more than convinced now that their generation (and I'm 10 years younger than them, as well as most of the leeches in Congress.) are responsible for the mess this country is in.



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12 Sep 2016, 3:58 pm

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Lukeda420 wrote:
AspE wrote:
There's no cure for the sickness that is Trump.


Well, a vote for Hillary is a good start.


Personally, there's no cure for the sicknesses known as Trump and Billery. I'm more than convinced now that their generation (and I'm 10 years younger than them, as well as most of the leeches in Congress.) are responsible for the mess this country is in.


Yeah there is no comparison here. I'm done with all these false equivalencies. I'm sick of all the cynicism in this country. The reason we're in the situation were in is because Bush lied us into an illegal war and crashed our economy and while Obama has made a lot of progress in turning that around but he has been hamstrung by Republicans filibusters. At the end of Clinton's term we had a surplus, Bush ruined it.

The bigger issue is too many people are too lazy or cynical to get involved. When only 60 something percent vote in presidential elections than it's inevitable that groups like wall street can run roughshod over the rest of us. It's even worse in midterm and local elections.

Right now we have a candidate who knows nothing about foreign policy, makes bigoted remarks about nearly every minority group in this country, Has flip-flopped on nearly every issue, hires people only to stiff them once the work has been done, and is simply put a conman. The other candidate Hillary, been investigated more than pretty much anyone else in the country and still comes up clean, has worked for equal rights for women and the LGBT community, and is in the lead in every demographic except uneducated white men. (at least it was the last I checked)

Yeah, these two candidates are not equal in anyway way. Clinton is by far the better candidate.



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13 Sep 2016, 7:57 am

We can talk all day about foreign policy as that is my favorite subject and by no objective measure is Hillary superior on this issue, her whole career has shown her incompetence in it and the fact all the major establishmentarian and neocon foreign policy backers lining up behind her only gives Trump legitimacy as an alternative.

Look at her campaign website now where they apparently try to dissect the Pepe the frog meme into some evil white supremacist symbol, it's idiotic and like these people have no understanding of the internet or most things. It's hard not to laugh considering it literally came from some gross fur-diaper fetish comic from like 10 years ago and has been used all over since in many different forms. It's not a serious campaign at this point when you're ranting about Nazi frogs and declaring half your opponents supporters(irredeemable, meaning what exactly?) and it makes sense considering now how serious her health issues are. I think dementia might be a real issue with Hillary especially considering how much she claims not to remember.

She should drop out for the good of the party but I guess she was never for that or else she wouldn't of rigged the primary to begin with and we'd probably have Bernie Sanders up there instead, think it is too late at this point. Tim Kaine would be a disaster, they'd really would need Bernie or at least Biden.

I can't imagine pumping Hillary with uppers is going to be good for her health at this point considering she can barely go out in public, they're going to try to push her over the finish line but it seems like a recipe for disaster. If you want to whine about the health talk and call it a conspiracy then go ahead but it is up to Hillary to prove us wrong, perhaps opening up her schedule with more rallies and meeting with the media and supporters in non-controlled settings would quell fears but something tells me we're going to see less of these instead of more.



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13 Sep 2016, 9:14 am

Trump is 70 years old, overweight and does not exercise. The only thing he has released about his health is a fake medical letter his "doctor" wrote in 5 minutes.

And considering all of the xenophobic, racist and sexist things Trump, his surrogates and his supporters have said the supposed offense his he and his supporters are taking is laughable. Clinton rightly calls the bigots and misogynists deplorable and the media is all over it. Personally I think she lowballed that number.

Trump goes to Mexico and folds in front of the Mexican president, then comes back and gives a speech that made the KKK blush and the media calls that part of his "outreach." He speaks to a majority white audience and again the media calls that "outreach." He has insulted almost every minority group in this country. The double standard that is taking place in the corporate media is so blatant that one would have to divorce themselves from reality entirely to not see it.

And Jacoby, your candidate is openly calling for our military to commit war crimes by murdering the family members of terrorists and somehow taking their oil. He has been lying about his stance on the Iraq war. He has been rebuked for commenting on a classified briefing. He has also reportedly asked three times why we can't use nukes if we have them. He has said he claimed to know more about ISIS then the generals. He has also claimed to have a secret plan to defeat ISIS but won't reveal it (because he's got nothing). But anyway since most of what you say about Hillary is inaccurate or just flat out made up anyway, I really don't care what your opinion is. I mean trying to bring up dementia is just despicable and desperate.



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13 Sep 2016, 9:32 am

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Trump is 70 years old

There's less than 2 years between Hillary and Trump, so I don't know how his age supports your health concerns.

And frankly, if you're going with the "Bag of Deplorables" rhetoric to slam Trump supporters (which are in the millions) then you aren't exactly much better than you feel his supporters to be. There are a lot of people in my country I no doubt do not like, as well as people I have to serve in my profession I do not like, for various reasons. But the duty of a good person shouldn't be to deny good character towards those people simply because they don't fit the bill for what you think a good person is. In a democracy they are all voters, and to disrespect the will of millions is wrong. It would be far more beneficial to understand why they vote for who and what they do, and show them a better way if you truly believe one exists.

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13 Sep 2016, 9:37 am

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Trump is 70 years old, overweight and does not exercise. The only thing he has released about his health is a fake medical letter his "doctor" wrote in 5 minutes.

And considering all of the xenophobic, racist and sexist things Trump, his surrogates and his supporters have said the supposed offense his he and his supporters are taking is laughable. Clinton rightly calls the bigots and misogynists deplorable and the media is all over it. Personally I think she lowballed that number.

Trump goes to Mexico and folds in front of the Mexican president, then comes back and gives a speech that made the KKK blush and the media calls that part of his "outreach." He speaks to a majority white audience and again the media calls that "outreach." He has insulted almost every minority group in this country. The double standard that is taking place in the corporate media is so blatant that one would have to divorce themselves from reality entirely to not see it.

And Jacoby, your candidate is openly calling for our military to commit war crimes by murdering the family members of terrorists and somehow taking their oil. He has been lying about his stance on the Iraq war. He has been rebuked for commenting on a classified briefing. He has also reportedly asked three times why we can't use nukes if we have them. He has said he claimed to know more about ISIS then the generals. He has also claimed to have a secret plan to defeat ISIS but won't reveal it (because he's got nothing). But anyway since most of what you say about Hillary is inaccurate or just flat out made up anyway, I really don't care what your opinion is. I mean trying to bring up dementia is just despicable and desperate.


Trump seems pretty healthy, the proof is in the pudding with the schedule he keeps but likewise he is also much more open about his health the Hillary and will expand on this in the coming days as he was planning on releasing the results of a physical he had last week before Hillary even had her incident.

As for the rest it's just the typical 'rrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you're a racist!" mudslinging that is the response to every disagreement they have, it's an unthinking opinion. You have a very very DARK view of this planet if you truly believe that half of America is 'irredeemable' and quite frankly a dangerous view. Desperate nonsense and spin. Wrong and misleading about Iraq, wrong about war crimes, bogus unnamed sources story, Hillary made a similar statement back in 2008, yada, yada, yada. I think you've been having a rough week. Surprised you didn't bring up any Russian sabre rattling.

So what do you think we should do about the situation in Aleppo? :P