12 Aug 2007, 3:44 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
I would be far more concerned about the state of Aspie rights, as opposed to gay rights, for instance.
We have our rights as people with AS. I can marry someone else with AS etc.
Ya, but you'll be bullied for AS the rest of your life, as will I.
I'm not bullied for having AS. And who's to say I won't be bullied for being gay for the rest of my life?
12 Aug 2007, 3:44 pm
greenblue wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
So, the women you like -- there could never be a man like them? In what ways, specifically? Is it a vagina thing or what?
I've never been physically attracted to a men and I'm 99% sure I never will be. I can't be 100% on anything. You never know, I could even become a Christian one day, I'm 99.9 recurring % sure I never will though. Same for liking men, I'm going from experience.
(I'm 100% sure you'll never be a Christian.)
But what about a woman can no man present you with?
How can you be 100% sure of anything?
I used to be '100% sure' I'd never admit I wasn't straight.
And why are you so obsessed with MY sexuality? Why do you keep on asking about ME specifically? I've only ever been attracted to women (just like a lot of other people in the world).
Maybe he wants to ask you out, and keeps trying
Not to offend her, but with respect, Sopho presents me no attraction.
12 Aug 2007, 3:45 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:47 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Not calling Christians stupid for believing the Bible might be a good place to start 
I can call you stupid for your beliefs. You can call me stupid for my beliefs. It's a bit different to kicking out you kids because they're gay, or bullying someone for 7 years in school.
The bullying only tends to happen if someone at school is dim enough to announce that they are gay. Being an aspie on the other hand, thats a way of getting bullied that is very difficult to avoid or get out of.
Not true. A lot of people guess if someone's gay, or one of their friends tells people.
And Aspies??? They kind of just present themselves as such without meaning to, don't they?
12 Aug 2007, 3:47 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Not calling Christians stupid for believing the Bible might be a good place to start
I can call you stupid for your beliefs. You can call me stupid for my beliefs. It's a bit different to kicking out you kids because they're gay, or bullying someone for 7 years in school.
The bullying only tends to happen if someone at school is dim enough to announce that they are gay. Being an aspie on the other hand, thats a way of getting bullied that is very difficult to avoid or get out of.
Not true. A lot of people guess if someone's gay, or one of their friends tells people.
And Aspies??? They kind of just present themselves as such without meaning to, don't they?
Yeah and they can get married.
12 Aug 2007, 3:47 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Not calling Christians stupid for believing the Bible might be a good place to start
I can call you stupid for your beliefs. You can call me stupid for my beliefs. It's a bit different to kicking out you kids because they're gay, or bullying someone for 7 years in school.
The bullying only tends to happen if someone at school is dim enough to announce that they are gay. Being an aspie on the other hand, thats a way of getting bullied that is very difficult to avoid or get out of.
Not true. A lot of people guess if someone's gay, or one of their friends tells people.
Choosing to act camp, or telling there friends that they are gay are just both acts of rank stupidity really then.
So they should have to lie to their friends for years like I did?
And it's not choosing to act camp. My friend who was gay was very feminine since primary school. He didn't choose to act camp, he's not camp. It's just the way he is.
Well they have a choice at least to lie, and asides its not too hard to tell a lie like that. Your friend is welcome to be feminine, but he must have let slip he was gay somewhere down the line.
He didn't actually. He only admitted it to ANYONE after we left school.
He spilt the beans somehow.
12 Aug 2007, 3:48 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:49 pm
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Actually, "homophobia" is linked to being straight. That's because "homophobia" doesn't just mean fear, but resistance. Anyone who resists gayness is labeled a "homophobe". Nice manipulation tactic.
Nice manipulation tactic.Wow, you don't know what latent homosexuality is EITHER.
It is linked to homophobia. Most homophobes have some low-level suppressed same-sex attraction.
The bolded phrase is what being straight IS, as far as anyone can tell. If a same-sex attraction is totally suppressed, then it's not even known, therefore the person feels (therefore is) straight as straight can get, especially under our theory of gay/straight ratios.
NO.
You can't get your head round it, can you?
It's you who can't. "Suppressed urges" are not true urges, just the seeds of urges. An urge not realized is not an true, articulate urge, because it is neither defined nor known.
No. They're attracted to other men, but try and tell themselves they're not and pretend to themselves that they're only attracted to women. Similar to what I did.
Suppressed means suppressed. Beyond awareness.
12 Aug 2007, 3:50 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
I would be far more concerned about the state of Aspie rights, as opposed to gay rights, for instance.
We have our rights as people with AS. I can marry someone else with AS etc.
Marriage is probably the least of my worries, and asides if any kids were had within that marriage there is a decent chance the social people will nab them. There are other more basic things that most of us dont have fair access to,
Such as?
And if I was with a woman who had kids from another marriage and she died, I wouldn't necessarily have custody of them, if we weren't married. Even if we'd been together 15 years and they'd never seen their biological father.
Jobs, Oppotunities, the risk of being sectioned for example. There are many more things.
There are already laws against discrimination on the grounds of disability.
*snorts* Which are rarely enforced, and violations of the DDA are normally impossible to prove. And then there are laws that are directly anti aspie, like the mental health act for instance.
Well I don't see many Aspies regularly being denied their rights.
How about the right to be treated like a normal human being?
12 Aug 2007, 3:51 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:52 pm
Ragtime wrote:
How about the right to be treated like a normal human being?
Do I not have that right then? It was just before that you were saying how abnormal I was...
12 Aug 2007, 3:52 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:53 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:54 pm
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Not calling Christians stupid for believing the Bible might be a good place to start
I can call you stupid for your beliefs. You can call me stupid for my beliefs. It's a bit different to kicking out you kids because they're gay, or bullying someone for 7 years in school.
Both of which I'm vehemently against. What's your point?
My point is that by changing the views of society, this can change. Isn't it obvious?
Again, I don't see gay marriage as harmless. Not at all!
12 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm
12 Aug 2007, 3:56 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Not calling Christians stupid for believing the Bible might be a good place to start
I can call you stupid for your beliefs. You can call me stupid for my beliefs. It's a bit different to kicking out you kids because they're gay, or bullying someone for 7 years in school.
Both of which I'm vehemently against. What's your point?
My point is that by changing the views of society, this can change. Isn't it obvious?
Again, I don't see gay marriage as harmless. Not at all!
So how does me marrying someone I love who just happens to be female harm you in any way?
