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You can't. Your statistics are BS.

It's a legitimate question to wonder how they derived the "odds" of life permitting parameters.

They use "conditional probability theory"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability

Given X of this universe, what is the probability of Y.

See here, note the probability notation; it means "probability of E" , "given K & not D"

So, it's very murky.

The Fine-Tuning Argument (FTA)
(1) P(E|K & ~D) ≈ 0
(2) P(E|K & D) >> 0
(3) P(D|K) >> P(E|K & ~D)
∴ P(D|E & K) >> 0
http://home.olemiss.edu/~namanson/Fine% ... gument.pdf

I will say my prayers before exploring the universe while eating a burrito.

My waiters name is E. Witten.

With tongue in cheek and burrito

Shalom brother Zvi

horses**t, ever heard of Bayesian probability? Tell Bayesian cosmologists like Joe Silk, George Ellis etc. that their 'statistics' are BS! Expose them for what they are! You are more intelligent then they are anyways!

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Thank you for showing the results, this is bayesian probability, something that ignorant AspE never heard of.

Reverend Bayes must be turning over in his grave....

Here is a video of Roger Penrose explaining the probability of our Big Bang's low entropy level state, no technical terms so I think AspE would be able to grasp it.



Of course he will deny there is any probability. I speculate that he might be a little too insecure with his atheism.

'If you were to put every zero on every single particle in the observable universe, you'd be way short....'

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No it is correct, but there are some flaws with the first premise, I confess.

If you are critical of the probability calculations ...

You should note that atheist physicists like Hawking concede that the universe is fine tuned to permit life.

"Physicist Paul Davies has asserted that "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects 'fine-tuned' for life".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe

The atheists counter that 1) String theory predicts the multi-verse, and 2) We got very, very, very, very ..... lucky, and we are in one of the life permitting universes within the multi-verse.

That is how powerful the probability argument is.

If there is a multiverse, or just a sequence of single universes, we aren't lucky at all.

Aspe, your last post (and avatar) is confusing?

That's Morgan Freeman going through a wormhole.

So, if there is a multiverse, it doesn't mean we are lucky enough to find ourselves in a universe that harbors life, it means that if a universe can harbor life, it probably will. All life will tend to find itself evolving in a situation advantageous to life.

Nietzsche had a character( called Madman) say God is dead. Nietzsche also wrote/said that the 20th century would become the bloodiest century in history, because of the philosophical ramifications of the death of god. Also...then we are going to live either with megalomania or erotomania: the drive for pleasure or the drive for power, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner. It's exactly what happened.
So how did we get here? We got here starting off by killing god, then killing ethics, now we are killing men."
Ravi Z

In the 60's we had sex drugs and Rock.
What do we have now.

As far as our home The Lord is still welcome

Peace.
Zvi Arey

You sure about that?

History and the Decline of Human Violence

Also, Hitler's army went to war with "God is with us" on their belt buckles.

..."It's a legitimate question to wonder how they derived the "odds" of life permitting parameters."

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Conditional probability assumes that the event in question happened more than once. But we don't know that. I agree it's nice to assume so because you can make a calculation, but if it happens more than once, it can happen an infinite number of times, which means all combinations of variables (if they are indeed variables) will occur.

Many people have abused The Bible and Statistics(aka numbers)

Statistics was one of the few classes I needed all night era in college.

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Me taking a right turn at an Abnormal Pychology Class after an Analytical Trig and Calculus morning. ....
Everything I know may be wrong
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