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01 Apr 2015, 2:49 am

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There is no god, no magical man so grow the hell up and see reality, when you die nothing happens it is nothing no afterlife no nothing so enjoy the life you have while you can improve yourself and get a great job and be happy until you die of old age, regret nothing!Without the fear of an imaginary invisible bearded man who has insecurity issues and is a fascist dictating your life you are free,you have free will! Only the religious have no free will regardless of their imaginary friend saying they have free will they do not they are under control and not free!You fail to heed my advice youll end uplike these guys!

God didnt create the internet, man did and if he exists he has no control over the internet he is weak a coward and obsolete compared to man if he does but yet he does not exist!

I don't believe in a 'magical man' either. This is yet one more attempt by an atheist to deliberately misrepresent what theists really do believe, in order to demolish the proverbial strawman and then be able to claim yet another false victory in the imaginary 'war' between science and religion.Theism is a waste of time and emotion, there is no god there are no angels and there is no afterlife! God is not realif he was he is dead and useless!

So unbelievably lame.

Creationists bible thumpers like yourself in a nutshell!

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01 Apr 2015, 2:53 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

Lintar wrote:

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God didnt create the internet, man did and if he exists he has no control over the internet he is weak a coward and obsolete compared to man if he does but yet he does not exist!

Theism is a waste of time and emotion, there is no god there are no angels and there is no afterlife! God is not real if he was. he is dead and useless!

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01 Apr 2015, 4:59 am

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I don't believe in a 'magical man' either. This is yet one more attempt by an atheist to deliberately misrepresent what theists really do believe

From what I understand you believe this

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God isn't just responsible for the 'Big Bang' of creation, but for every single moment of that creation, everywhere. God 'sustains in existence' reality, as they might say; it forms the ultimate foundation for it. Absent the existence of God, there would really be nothing at all.

So as far as I am concerned you do believe in a "Magical Man" You can argue that God is not a man, but heck that is splitting hairs. You believe in a Being that controls every single interaction of this universe. Extrapolating from "for every single moment of that creation" then seeing as life is still evolving on earth and stars and galaxies are continuing to change, then it is reasonable to assume that you also believe that God is responsible for the weather, and the patterns of weather that allow us to predict what god is going to do over the next 7 days.

The problem with your 'Philosophy and logic over the scientific method and the predictions from science" being that you start with a potentially flawed premise.

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Absent the existence of God, there would really be nothing at all.

As I understand your argument you are using the above statement to deny the predictions of front-line science that point to things such as multiple universes. From your stand point the prediction of such things is falsified by the axiom "God the creator exists and this god is the creator and curator of all there is"

Which is a nonsense.

Unlike you, most atheists are quite prepared to say "I do not know how this universe came into being, but rather than say God did it I will continue looking for an answer, which may (although I highly doubt it) lead to god" You on the other hand make the completely unreasonable assumption that you know how the universe came into being and you know where all the laws of nature came from.

You continuously berate atheists for being philosophically unsound, I contend that it is you, not I, who has a very shaky philosophical base.

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01 Apr 2015, 6:21 am

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There are also events that are probabilistic and not deterministic, such as radioactive decay. That just functions outside of causality (or maybe it has a cause that we have not yet been able to identify). Perhaps universes pop into existence in a probabilistic way, there is just no way to know right now. And to continue on my train of unfounded thought: perhaps universes cause other universes to exist. That could possibly explain the finely-tuned universe, as finely-tuned universes may be better at causing new universes to exist. Of course there is zero evidence for this, it's just something I was thinking of a while ago.

Maybe you don't want God in your life.

Dodging the question, plus your implying he is just disbelieving in presence of evidence - which he is not, he is disbelieving in absence of evidence.

Sometimes, we see what we want to see.

Full agreement here; however, perhaps this applies to yourself as well?

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01 Apr 2015, 6:57 am

izzeme wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Canadian1911 wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

trollcatman wrote:

Maybe you don't want God in your life.

Dodging the question, plus your implying he is just disbelieving in presence of evidence - which he is not, he is disbelieving in absence of evidence.

Sometimes, we see what we want to see.

Full agreement here; however, perhaps this applies to yourself as well?

It does not apply to me.

I have proven the existence of God right here on this thread.

Remember, this thread is about Gods existence, we are not discussing His nature, his location, why created us etc.

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01 Apr 2015, 8:13 am

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Remember, this thread is about Gods existence, we are not discussing His nature, his location, why created us etc.

Exactly! Well noted and timely put.

Straw men and red herrings are supplied gratis to emotionally charged obscurantists.

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01 Apr 2015, 11:02 am

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sophisticated wrote:

Remember, this thread is about Gods existence, we are not discussing His nature, his location, why created us etc.

Exactly! Well noted and timely put.

Straw men and red herrings are supplied gratis to emotionally charged obscurantists.

Don't forget goalpost-moving. Proof has been provided, so the next argument is "that's not proof," and some unreasonable standard for proof that only supports the opposing view will be demanded.

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01 Apr 2015, 11:15 am

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I have proven the existence of God right here on this thread.

Nope. You've proven that you believe in uncausable causes.

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01 Apr 2015, 11:37 am

There is no absolutely no empirical evidence that a god exists. Therefore there must be no god.

There is absolutely much real belief that a god exists. Therefore there must be a god.

If both these ideas are simultaneously accepted then everything begins to make sense.

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01 Apr 2015, 4:23 pm

AngelRho wrote:

Oldavid wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Remember, this thread is about Gods existence, we are not discussing His nature, his location, why created us etc.

Exactly! Well noted and timely put.

Straw men and red herrings are supplied gratis to emotionally charged obscurantists.

Don't forget goalpost-moving. Proof has been provided, so the next argument is "that's not proof," and some unreasonable standard for proof that only supports the opposing view will be demanded.

My my, this is a first. What goal post moving and what Proofs have been provided?

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01 Apr 2015, 4:32 pm

AngelRho wrote:

Oldavid wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

Remember, this thread is about Gods existence, we are not discussing His nature, his location, why created us etc.

Exactly! Well noted and timely put.

Straw men and red herrings are supplied gratis to emotionally charged obscurantists.

Don't forget goalpost-moving. Proof has been provided, so the next argument is "that's not proof," and some unreasonable standard for proof that only supports the opposing view will be demanded.

My my, this is a first. What goal post moving and what Proofs have been provided?

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01 Apr 2015, 5:05 pm

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I have proven the existence of God right here on this thread.

Nope. You've proven that you believe in uncausable causes.

You cannot argue with facts.

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01 Apr 2015, 6:21 pm

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I have proven the existence of God right here on this thread.

Nope. You've proven that you believe in uncausable causes.

You cannot argue with facts.

I assume you mean "against facts".

What I can do is dismiss a claim of "facts" that are unsupported by evidence.

You have defined "God" as a "who", absent evidence. You have claimed this "who" is the "first cause" due to the unproven "fact" that an infinite chain of causes is impossible, and that everything requires a cause. Why is your "who" exempt from this rule? Where is your supporting evidence?

What you have is a weak hypothesis, not a "fact".

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01 Apr 2015, 7:39 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

Lintar wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Lintar wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

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There is no Easter Bunny there is no Santa Clause, there is no Tooth Fairy or Boogie Man, or Sand Man, Jack Frost is not real either and neither is God it is all mythology.

Otaku, this response of yours is truly idiotic. To equate God with Father Christmas just goes to show that you accept the inane ramblings of the current saints of 'New Atheism' (i.e. Harris, Dawkins, Dennett and their ilk), and haven't even made the effort to truly understand what it is you think you are rejecting.

Is this the sad, low level that disbelief has sunk to?

It is not sad it is a fact, belief is something children do so it is time to put away childish things! The stories about god and or gods can be found in the mythology section at your local library!

Putting away childish things. Isn't that what Jesus says in the Bible? Yes, I do believe he does!

The bible is childish obsolete and outdated it is nothing more than a book of mythology and fairytales as a means to guide a persons life, it is outdated and humanity no longer needs such obsolete primitive beliefs in order to get ahead in life! In short we don't need to believe in a god anymore we are more advanced and evolved to do so!

So people who don't believe in the reality of God are 'more evolved', are they?

You wish!

No need most religious people reject evolution so fail to evolve themselves!

Most religious people DON'T reject evolution, they accept it.

Don't take this personally, but you would have to be the most misinformed person I have ever come across here at Wrong Planet. You just do not have a clue.

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02 Apr 2015, 1:59 am

adifferentname wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

sophisticated wrote:

I have proven the existence of God right here on this thread.

Nope. You've proven that you believe in uncausable causes.

You cannot argue with facts.

the unproven "fact" that an infinite chain of causes is impossible

I've proven it. If you didn't see the proof then that is your problem not mine.

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02 Apr 2015, 2:04 am

MannyBoo wrote:

There is no absolutely no empirical evidence that a god exists. Therefore there must be no god.
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There's absolutely no empirical proof that your great great great great great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great greatgreat great great grand father existed ... therefore he never existed.

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