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iamnotaparakeet
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22 Jun 2010, 11:18 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


No, he must have continued reigning for three terms for you to harp about him.



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22 Jun 2010, 11:54 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


No, he must have continued reigning for three terms for you to harp about him.


Therefore you find no fault with his regime? And, of course, your perceptive level remains constant. If you were even slightly aware you would understand that Bush's policies are still very much in force.



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22 Jun 2010, 1:01 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


No, he must have continued reigning for three terms for you to harp about him.


Therefore you find no fault with his regime? And, of course, your perceptive level remains constant. If you were even slightly aware you would understand that Bush's policies are still very much in force.


Yeah, so what if Bush's policy are still in force. There have been two years worth of time for Mr. Peace Prize For Nothing to alter them.



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22 Jun 2010, 1:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


No, he must have continued reigning for three terms for you to harp about him.


Therefore you find no fault with his regime? And, of course, your perceptive level remains constant. If you were even slightly aware you would understand that Bush's policies are still very much in force.


Yeah, so what if Bush's policy are still in force. There have been two years worth of time for Mr. Peace Prize For Nothing to alter them.



Precisely. Happy about that?



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22 Jun 2010, 2:02 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


No, he must have continued reigning for three terms for you to harp about him.


Therefore you find no fault with his regime? And, of course, your perceptive level remains constant. If you were even slightly aware you would understand that Bush's policies are still very much in force.


Yeah, so what if Bush's policy are still in force. There have been two years worth of time for Mr. Peace Prize For Nothing to alter them.



Precisely. Happy about that?


Obama is not a Republican, so why should he carry on with the same practices? Shouldn't he fulfill all his campaign promises? Shouldn't he carry out his word? Are you happy to see someone who knew how to make promises out of catch phrases and hot air, Obama, be elected? Isn't it lovely that you continue to blame Bush for something that another person could have changed for half of his term? You pick and choose, and you have the freedom to do so.



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22 Jun 2010, 2:09 pm

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Obama is not a Republican, so why should he carry on with the same practices?


Because he's a puppet. The rhetoric changes, the cosmetic policies change, but the core principles and structures won't unless there's to be a shift.


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22 Jun 2010, 2:10 pm

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Obama is not a Republican, so why should he carry on with the same practices?


Because he's a puppet. The rhetoric changes, the cosmetic policies change, but the core principles and structures won't unless there's to be a shift.


What kind of a shift? A general crossing the Rubicon with a single legion? Or would that rather be a Ctrl+Alt+Del? :P



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22 Jun 2010, 5:56 pm

Sand wrote:
........some weird concept of what consists of a threat........

In general, people tend to be too idiots to be trusted not to screw up with deadly instruments.


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23 Jun 2010, 11:00 pm

greenblue wrote:
Sand wrote:
........some weird concept of what consists of a threat........

In general, people tend to be too idiots to be trusted not to screw up with deadly instruments.


Oh please...

People are trusted daily with 2,000 pound metal objects that kill easily (cars), liquids than can kill a man with a bottle (vodka), devices that can cause untold destruction (matches)...

The world is chaotic by nature. Gun prohibition is just another attempt to deny that reality



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24 Jun 2010, 12:15 am

RICKY5 wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Sand wrote:
........some weird concept of what consists of a threat........

In general, people tend to be too idiots to be trusted not to screw up with deadly instruments.


Oh please...

People are trusted daily with 2,000 pound metal objects that kill easily (cars), liquids than can kill a man with a bottle (vodka), devices that can cause untold destruction (matches)...

The world is chaotic by nature. Gun prohibition is just another attempt to deny that reality


And the result of that trust is over 40,000 deaths per year. Are you interested in a competition of how many deaths can be caused by idiots who cannot control the power given?



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24 Jun 2010, 1:01 am

I wish there was some way to embed this into the post.

Here is a real time clock/calculator that shows how many people die from the most common causes of death, firearm homicide, and incidents of firearm being used in self defense (even if it was not discharged).

http://calnra.com/lifeclock


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24 Jun 2010, 3:07 am

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Oh please...

People are trusted daily with 2,000 pound metal objects that kill easily (cars), liquids than can kill a man with a bottle (vodka), devices that can cause untold destruction (matches)...

The difference is that the function of these objects, such as cars, is that they are designed to serve a purpose different than killing or causing serious harm, guns on the other hand have that particular use.


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24 Jun 2010, 3:21 am

greenblue wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
Oh please...

People are trusted daily with 2,000 pound metal objects that kill easily (cars), liquids than can kill a man with a bottle (vodka), devices that can cause untold destruction (matches)...

The difference is that the function of these objects, such as cars, is that they are designed to serve a purpose different than killing or causing serious harm, guns on the other hand have that particular use.

Sometimes killing is a necessary use, even if nobody actually wants that to come to pass.


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24 Jun 2010, 4:22 am

greenblue wrote:
RICKY5 wrote:
Oh please...

People are trusted daily with 2,000 pound metal objects that kill easily (cars), liquids than can kill a man with a bottle (vodka), devices that can cause untold destruction (matches)...

The difference is that the function of these objects, such as cars, is that they are designed to serve a purpose different than killing or causing serious harm, guns on the other hand have that particular use.


Do you accept the correctness of self defense or defense of your family or defense of your property?

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24 Jun 2010, 4:27 am

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


The environment has been "vandalized" long before Dubya. Take a look at the Blue Ridge Mountains as it now is. At the turn of the century nearly every tree was harvests (i.e. chopped down). The regrowth of the Blue Ridge mountains and the Shenendoah Valley was undertaken under the FDR Administritation. The place was made into a National Park so no large scale lumber harvesting operations have been undertaken again. It has mostly grown back. "Vandalizing" the environment goes all the way back to 1620 when the English puritans landed.

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24 Jun 2010, 5:10 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4G4_0QOPQ[/youtube]


"King "George W. reigned for two terms vandalizing the environment, chopping into civil rights, authorizing torture, defying the
Constitution, lying consistently to the country to get the country into a war with no basis for making the country more secure and killing an awful lot of innocents on both sides with huge expense and no tangible results and not a shot was fired by patriots to defend the country.


The environment has been "vandalized" long before Dubya. Take a look at the Blue Ridge Mountains as it now is. At the turn of the century nearly every tree was harvests (i.e. chopped down). The regrowth of the Blue Ridge mountains and the Shenendoah Valley was undertaken under the FDR Administritation. The place was made into a National Park so no large scale lumber harvesting operations have been undertaken again. It has mostly grown back. "Vandalizing" the environment goes all the way back to 1620 when the English puritans landed.

ruveyn


And the clear logic out of that is that a vicious stupid past justifies a vicious stupid present.