23 Mar 2011, 10:45 pm
AceOfSpades wrote:
I had a feeling you were gonna say education. I'm all for better education but I hope that isn't your central focus in fighting poverty. The culture of poverty doesn't promote values that are essential to succeeding in education (self-restraint, emotional control, long term thinking, etc.). There's no easy solution to eliminating this mentality on a large scale cuz this is a worldview you're talking about. It has a shedload of inertia and it will take slow and gradual change. It is a maladaptive way of adjusting to poverty. Though it suffices in adapting to your environment in the short term, it does no good for your prospects in the long term.
I have not only come to this conclusion through research but also through growing up in impoverished neighbourhoods. This is what holds people down the most. Telling people to try harder or lift themselves up by the bootstraps is no good and doesn't address the nuances and complexity of this paradigm. They'll only try harder in things they consider worthwhile. The key is to help em see that education is worthwhile, and there is no simple answer to that. What needs to be done is to bring awareness to this concept and pouring money into activism. A lack of role models is also quite demoralizing and contributes to fatalism. However, the only person that can change is yourself, and the only thing that inhibits change is permission. So personal responsibility is still a big factor here. I don't believe in wealth redistribution, throwing money at em, or having false expectations about education. At the same time I don't believe in saying "To hell with em" and just abandoning em since the middle class and upper class are just as susceptible to the inertia of holding a worldview and thus contempt towards the lower class is unwarranted since everyone's sh** stinks equally.
The activism thing isn't the only thing I think would help and I don't even know if it is a central factor to helping em. It is a complete mindf*ck I haven't sorted out yet.
I have not only come to this conclusion through research but also through growing up in impoverished neighbourhoods. This is what holds people down the most. Telling people to try harder or lift themselves up by the bootstraps is no good and doesn't address the nuances and complexity of this paradigm. They'll only try harder in things they consider worthwhile. The key is to help em see that education is worthwhile, and there is no simple answer to that. What needs to be done is to bring awareness to this concept and pouring money into activism. A lack of role models is also quite demoralizing and contributes to fatalism. However, the only person that can change is yourself, and the only thing that inhibits change is permission. So personal responsibility is still a big factor here. I don't believe in wealth redistribution, throwing money at em, or having false expectations about education. At the same time I don't believe in saying "To hell with em" and just abandoning em since the middle class and upper class are just as susceptible to the inertia of holding a worldview and thus contempt towards the lower class is unwarranted since everyone's sh** stinks equally.
The activism thing isn't the only thing I think would help and I don't even know if it is a central factor to helping em. It is a complete mindf*ck I haven't sorted out yet.
I know it's not a silver bullet, but access to educational opportunity does at least provide the possibility for someone to dig themselves out of poverty. It's a necessary precondition to any other attempts at solving the problem, and so is a reasonable first step.
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Who's been killed by the FDA? 
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.I don't have any examples off-hand, but I didn't feel like debating it and I'm sure there have been a couple screw-ups.
JWC wrote:
Pharmaceutical companies have nothing to gain and everything to lose by withholding information from patients.
OK, you are no longer permitted to spout all your arrogant condescending nonsense about how I'm too "immature" to understand the "real world." You are so absurdly, mind-bogglingly naive if you actually believe things like what you just said.
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Yes, but unless that link is based on a foundation of voluntary association it becomes slavery
Your definitions are meaningless. Those links exist by virtue of all of us existing and inhabiting the same planet. There is nothing voluntary about it, and that is true no matter what government exists or doesn't exist.
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Do you know of a better way to choose a representative govt?
When did I say I wanted representative government?
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By "more objective" I mean more grounded in objective reality.
But your views are not grounded in objective reality. The issue here is that what you believe to be objective reality is just your own absurd fantasy.
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