23 Sep 2011, 4:07 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
23 Sep 2011, 4:14 pm
23 Sep 2011, 4:16 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
23 Sep 2011, 4:32 pm
number5 wrote:
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance?
At least Herman Cain made it
23 Sep 2011, 4:33 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
'Yasha, have you ever heard the word 'triage,' and do you understand what it means?
Do you understand that countries with socialized medicine practice triage based on need, rather than ability to pay?
Did you know that people from countries with socialized medicine have greater life expectancy than those without, because of this?
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23 Sep 2011, 5:31 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
What LKL and number5 said.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
23 Sep 2011, 6:33 pm
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
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23 Sep 2011, 6:58 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
Actually, in Texas when Bush was governor, panels had been set up to involuntarily pull the plug on the elderly, if it was considered too expensive to keep that person alive... even above the objections of the family. Sound like death panels to me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
23 Sep 2011, 7:12 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
Actually, in Texas when Bush was governor, panels had been set up to involuntarily pull the plug on the elderly, if it was considered too expensive to keep that person alive... even above the objections of the family. Sound like death panels to me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If you are going to make statements like that, I would suggest you provide a source.
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23 Sep 2011, 7:17 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
Actually, in Texas when Bush was governor, panels had been set up to involuntarily pull the plug on the elderly, if it was considered too expensive to keep that person alive... even above the objections of the family. Sound like death panels to me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If you are going to make statements like that, I would suggest you provide a source.
I admittedly don't recall the source, but it's actually common knowledge - so much so that I believe someone had already posted this fact on WP.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
23 Sep 2011, 7:22 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
Actually, in Texas when Bush was governor, panels had been set up to involuntarily pull the plug on the elderly, if it was considered too expensive to keep that person alive... even above the objections of the family. Sound like death panels to me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If you are going to make statements like that, I would suggest you provide a source.
I admittedly don't recall the source, but it's actually common knowledge - so much so that I believe someone had already posted this fact on WP.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Common knowledge is not a source, I could care less what the rumor mill says, if you are going to make an accusation like that you better provide a source.
Also something other than Mediamatters, MoveOn.org, and DailyKos plz.
Update:
I found what you are referring but what I found actually changes the entire story and shows Bush tried to stop it.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xp ... &tab=votes
The law was only passed due to a VETO OVERRIDE, Bush actually Vetoed it and was overridden.
Guess you can't believe common knowledge huh.
Read:
http://biggovernment.com/sahiller/2010/ ... rovisions/
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23 Sep 2011, 8:05 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
number5 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
To throw this back in people's faces, since most of you didn't watch the debate.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
If Obamacare had been in effect in 2006, one of the Republican Candidates would be dead from Cancer.
As a matter of fact, here in Washington state, the number of uninsured young adults has already decreased - and Obama's healthcare reform is credited with that. Precisely, it's because young adults are allowed to remain on their parent's insurance. No one can tell me that that's a bad thing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I know someone who can say Obamacare is a bad thing, and he can back it up, that man is Herman Cain, whom would be dead now if Obamacare was in place in 2006.
But being that he's not dead, we'll never know for sure, now will we?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually, we do know because it was Stage 4 cancer, as worse as it gets, if his treatments had been delayed (and they would have been due to Obamacare), he would be dead. At it was he only had a 30% survival chance.
Just more empty and fear-mongering rhetoric. How would his treatments have been delayed, specifically? Assuming he has insurance, which he obviously does, then his situation would remain unchanged.
What about the 45,000 annual deaths directly related to lack of insurance? http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/
Those panels of politically appointed individuals that decide whether or not someone is valuable enough to get treatment.
Actually, in Texas when Bush was governor, panels had been set up to involuntarily pull the plug on the elderly, if it was considered too expensive to keep that person alive... even above the objections of the family. Sound like death panels to me.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
If you are going to make statements like that, I would suggest you provide a source.
I admittedly don't recall the source, but it's actually common knowledge - so much so that I believe someone had already posted this fact on WP.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Common knowledge is not a source, I could care less what the rumor mill says, if you are going to make an accusation like that you better provide a source.
Also something other than Mediamatters, MoveOn.org, and DailyKos plz.
Update:
I found what you are referring but what I found actually changes the entire story and shows Bush tried to stop it.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xp ... &tab=votes
The law was only passed due to a VETO OVERRIDE, Bush actually Vetoed it and was overridden.
Guess you can't believe common knowledge huh.
Read:
http://biggovernment.com/sahiller/2010/ ... rovisions/
Well, if that's so, then I'll give Bush credit. But it still has to be remembered that this was done by Republican state legislators who are supposed to be so pro-life.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
23 Sep 2011, 8:09 pm
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