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18 Sep 2012, 12:43 pm

If fire department should be required to show up to fires outside of their jurisdiction, just where would you draw the line? And who would be paying for all this?

It's expensive enough for a fire department to handle their own jurisdiction. If they are also required to put out all fires in say 50 miles in every direction, that's going to be a lot more expensive.



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18 Sep 2012, 1:02 pm

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Actually, it was about BOTH. Taxes pay for civilization, and it was asinine to make the $75 emergency service tax voluntary! It should be required to prevent situations like this from occurring in the first place. If the law didn't protect people from themselves and relied on the honor system of "personal responsibility", civilization would fall apart. Libertarians are idealistic imbeciles who are completely out of touch with the reality of human behavior.

I can see a lawsuit on the horizon.....


I agree. Too many people are inconsiderate imbeciles in this society. This summer was exceptionally hot and dry here in Michigan and only a couple miles from where I live an apartment complex almost got torched by a raging brush-fire started by some idiots shooting off fireworks. Once a fire goes up in an apartment complex it often wipes out multiple buildings in one fell swoop. Living in an apartment myself I always have to worry about other imbecile a**holes more than I would if I lived in a house. I also had selfish a**holes shooting loud fireworks 10 feet from my window at 1:00 AM, absolutely no respect. You call the police on them and of course they do absolutely nothing. They'd much rather harass homeless people and beat up protesters.


See? This is why I support the 2nd amendment and oppose any restrictions on it! You should get a pistol grip shotgun, go outside where they can see you standing there and tell them to knock it off. :twisted:


Ummm... I'm sure it would feel good but most places there are harsh criminal charges for brandishing a firearm to threaten someone in a non-self-defense situation. It's one of those things you often see in the movies that just doesn't happen in real life. Maybe it happens in ghetto gang-banger land where people don't care if they get a criminal record because defending your personal honer and showing you won't be messed with is more important than anything else.



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18 Sep 2012, 1:22 pm

eric76 wrote:
If fire department should be required to show up to fires outside of their jurisdiction, just where would you draw the line? And who would be paying for all this?

It's expensive enough for a fire department to handle their own jurisdiction. If they are also required to put out all fires in say 50 miles in every direction, that's going to be a lot more expensive.


It is up to each community to provide fire protection to its residents. Once this is does, a system of mutual help can me arranged in case of disasterous fire in one area that overburdens the local first service. This is a common arrangement in the U.S.

If a community is too small to affords its own fire department a fee arrangement can be made with nearby communities that do have fire departments.

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18 Sep 2012, 1:27 pm

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If fire department should be required to show up to fires outside of their jurisdiction, just where would you draw the line? And who would be paying for all this?

It's expensive enough for a fire department to handle their own jurisdiction. If they are also required to put out all fires in say 50 miles in every direction, that's going to be a lot more expensive.


It is up to each community to provide fire protection to its residents. Once this is does, a system of mutual help can me arranged in case of disasterous fire in one area that overburdens the local first service. This is a common arrangement in the U.S.

If a community is too small to affords its own fire department a fee arrangement can be made with nearby communities that do have fire departments.

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My community covers about 50 square miles and has a population of about 70.

Several people try to keep water tanks filled with water and ready to go in case of a grass fire, but there no way that they would be able to do anything about a house fire.

The fire department in the nearby town 20 miles away will respond, but by the time they arrive, there won't be much left to put out.



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18 Sep 2012, 1:46 pm

Marshall, they will prevent the fire from spreading just as they will rescue human life inside if needed.

The setup your seeing is common in some rural areas but not wide spread in America. There are just places where it is so sparsely populated, the cost of a dedicated fire department, even of volunteers would be a huge burden.

75 dollars to use the neighboring town's fire service would be a steal compared to running their own.

And yes, FEMA has grant money, but what happens when the grant runs out?



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18 Sep 2012, 9:53 pm

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^ because escalating the weaponry /always/ makes a situation better... 8O

In a situation like that, it usually works. Especially if the COPS don't respond. Otherwise, what incentive to those people have to stop?

In a situation like that, stepping outside and asking them to stop usually works. So does threatening to call the cops. Both have the advantage of being both safe for everyone concerned and legal.