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13 Jan 2012, 9:37 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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But I am used to you exposing your own hypocrisy for the purpose of point scoring.

Visagrunt, there is no hypocrisy involved. Even further, there is no "point scoring" against a person who has literally made no argument, but rather just made a pathetic snide comment rather than being vocal and open in redirecting the conversation.

Even further, I normally wouldn't consider panda to be a poster focused on point scoring, but more with just jacking around in favor of left-wing and non-fundamentalist positions.


Panda does buck the tend by jacking around in favour of anti-feminist positions from time to time.


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14 Jan 2012, 2:47 am

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Panda does buck the tend by jacking around in favour of anti-feminist positions from time to time.


And lets not forget smoking, though I think he might actually care about that one.


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14 Jan 2012, 11:02 am

Dox47 wrote:
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Panda does buck the tend by jacking around in favour of anti-feminist positions from time to time.


And lets not forget smoking, though I think he might actually care about that one.


Yes. So no-one here had better smoke. :evil:



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14 Jan 2012, 7:18 pm

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http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot/20 ... inst-jews/


65.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
13.2 percent were anti-Islamic.
9.5 percent were anti-other religion, i.e., those not specified.
4.3 percent were anti-Catholic.
3.8 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
3.3 percent were anti-Protestant.
0.5 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.


The blog post quoted above provides a link to a CNN story about America's "latest hate crime"

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November 12, 2011 -- Updated 2329 GMT (0729 HKT)

New York (CNN) -- Police are investigating what authorities say could be a hate crime in a Jewish section of Brooklyn, New York, after three cars were set ablaze and anti-Semitic graffiti was scrawled across park benches.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/12/us/ne ... index.html


What unfortunate timing - it now looks like it was all a hoax.

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Published: Tuesday, January 10 2012, 9:35 PM

Police have told community leaders that car firebombings that rattled a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn were probably an insurance scam, and not a hate crime, the Daily News has learned.

Vandals on Nov. 11 torched three cars in Midwood, tried to set a fourth afire and scrawled messages of hate — swastikas, KKK and “f--- the Jews” — on a nearby van and benches.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/hat ... z1jADYLx53


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January 11, 2012 2:42am | By Murray Weiss, DNAinfo Criminal Justice Editor / Columnist

The sensational swastika-laced torching of parked cars in a heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood — which sent shock waves throughout the city late last year — was apparently an elaborate smoke screen covering up a lucrative insurance scheme, perpetrated in part by Jewish wannabe gangsters, DNAInfo has learned.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120111/manhatt ... -car-fires



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14 Jan 2012, 7:36 pm

codarac wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:

http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot/20 ... inst-jews/


65.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
13.2 percent were anti-Islamic.
9.5 percent were anti-other religion, i.e., those not specified.
4.3 percent were anti-Catholic.
3.8 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
3.3 percent were anti-Protestant.
0.5 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.


The blog post quoted above provides a link to a CNN story about America's "latest hate crime"

Quote:
November 12, 2011 -- Updated 2329 GMT (0729 HKT)

New York (CNN) -- Police are investigating what authorities say could be a hate crime in a Jewish section of Brooklyn, New York, after three cars were set ablaze and anti-Semitic graffiti was scrawled across park benches.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/12/us/ne ... index.html


What unfortunate timing - it now looks like it was all a hoax.

Quote:
Published: Tuesday, January 10 2012, 9:35 PM

Police have told community leaders that car firebombings that rattled a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn were probably an insurance scam, and not a hate crime, the Daily News has learned.

Vandals on Nov. 11 torched three cars in Midwood, tried to set a fourth afire and scrawled messages of hate — swastikas, KKK and “f--- the Jews” — on a nearby van and benches.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/hat ... z1jADYLx53


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January 11, 2012 2:42am | By Murray Weiss, DNAinfo Criminal Justice Editor / Columnist

The sensational swastika-laced torching of parked cars in a heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood — which sent shock waves throughout the city late last year — was apparently an elaborate smoke screen covering up a lucrative insurance scheme, perpetrated in part by Jewish wannabe gangsters, DNAInfo has learned.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120111/manhatt ... -car-fires


In the case you sited, the sleaze bag gangster wannabes only served to incite people by causing fear and bringing back bad memories.
But just because this case wasn't really a hate crime doesn't mean that others aren't.

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14 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

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Out of every 100 people killed by religious hatred, 75 of them will be Christians of some variety.

source, please?
Note that a christian evangelist website does not count as a valid source in this instance.


And 74 o those 75 are killed by other Christians because they belong to the wrong denomination!

Lol!



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15 Jan 2012, 2:55 am

With regard to the original question, its a bit different in Australia, publicly at least politicians are not as vocal regarding their religious beliefs,although there are one or two who openly base decisions on their religious beliefs, notably our present leader of the Opposition and we do have an party with an openly religious platform who received about 2% of the vote. Laws and policies are not as overtly influenced by religious fervor in comparison to US legislation, the upshot of this being that the religious fraternity do not kick up such a fuss and claim discrimination and persecution when they do not get their own way.


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15 Jan 2012, 10:33 am

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With regard to the original question, its a bit different in Australia, publicly at least politicians are not as vocal regarding their religious beliefs,although there are one or two who openly base decisions on their religious beliefs, notably our present leader of the Opposition and we do have an party with an openly religious platform who received about 2% of the vote. Laws and policies are not as overtly influenced by religious fervor in comparison to US legislation, the upshot of this being that the religious fraternity do not kick up such a fuss and claim discrimination and persecution when they do not get their own way.


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15 Jan 2012, 1:47 pm

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With regard to the original question, its a bit different in Australia, publicly at least politicians are not as vocal regarding their religious beliefs,although there are one or two who openly base decisions on their religious beliefs, notably our present leader of the Opposition and we do have an party with an openly religious platform who received about 2% of the vote. Laws and policies are not as overtly influenced by religious fervor in comparison to US legislation, the upshot of this being that the religious fraternity do not kick up such a fuss and claim discrimination and persecution when they do not get their own way.


Still kinda funny that Australia's nonreligious Prime Minister opposes same-sex marriage in a way that kinda panders to religious bigots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gill ... x_marriage


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15 Jan 2012, 5:24 pm

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Still kinda funny that Australia's nonreligious Prime Minister opposes same-sex marriage in a way that kinda panders to religious bigots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gill ... x_marriage


Dont get me wrong I am not saying that religious organisations have no sway in Australia, of course they do, but the level of influence would appear to be far far lower than in the US. Until just recently Family First held a senate seat which considering the make up of the house gave them an extraordinary amount of political power, in practice for a while they held the balance of power, even then the religious right could only salivate in envy at the power wealded by their US cousins.

The present Gillard government is a minority one, clinging to power with the assistance of some unlikely allies, there is no way are they going to carry out something as controversial as same sex marriage, however the fact that an unmarried, childless female, atheist can gain the Prime Ministers position speaks volumes for the differences between the two countries.

It appears to me that the US religious right are no better than their islamic counter parts who want to bring in sharia law, these people want laws passed which represent their warped interpretation of the bible and if they dont get their way then they complain about repression and persecution


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15 Jan 2012, 5:37 pm

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however the fact that an unmarried, childless female, atheist can gain the Prime Ministers position speaks volumes for the differences between the two countries.



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Gillard's partner since 2006 is Tim Mathieson. She had previous relationships with union officials Michael O'Connor and Bruce Wilson and fellow Federal Labor MP Craig Emerson. She has never married and has no children.


A woman like that would be labeled a serial whore, and have no chance of being elected to anything in the USA.



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15 Jan 2012, 6:23 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:

Still kinda funny that Australia's nonreligious Prime Minister opposes same-sex marriage in a way that kinda panders to religious bigots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gill ... x_marriage


Dont get me wrong I am not saying that religious organisations have no sway in Australia, of course they do, but the level of influence would appear to be far far lower than in the US. Until just recently Family First held a senate seat which considering the make up of the house gave them an extraordinary amount of political power, in practice for a while they held the balance of power, even then the religious right could only salivate in envy at the power wealded by their US cousins.

The present Gillard government is a minority one, clinging to power with the assistance of some unlikely allies, there is no way are they going to carry out something as controversial as same sex marriage, however the fact that an unmarried, childless female, atheist can gain the Prime Ministers position speaks volumes for the differences between the two countries.

It appears to me that the US religious right are no better than their islamic counter parts who want to bring in sharia law, these people want laws passed which represent their warped interpretation of the bible and if they dont get their way then they complain about repression and persecution


Here in the United States, we've got this Rick Santorum idiot who is trying to enforce his own radical Catholicism in order to not only strike down gay marriages, but also make it possible for the states to outlaw birth control.

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15 Jan 2012, 6:27 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:

Still kinda funny that Australia's nonreligious Prime Minister opposes same-sex marriage in a way that kinda panders to religious bigots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Gill ... x_marriage


Dont get me wrong I am not saying that religious organisations have no sway in Australia, of course they do, but the level of influence would appear to be far far lower than in the US. Until just recently Family First held a senate seat which considering the make up of the house gave them an extraordinary amount of political power, in practice for a while they held the balance of power, even then the religious right could only salivate in envy at the power wealded by their US cousins.

The present Gillard government is a minority one, clinging to power with the assistance of some unlikely allies, there is no way are they going to carry out something as controversial as same sex marriage, however the fact that an unmarried, childless female, atheist can gain the Prime Ministers position speaks volumes for the differences between the two countries.

It appears to me that the US religious right are no better than their islamic counter parts who want to bring in sharia law, these people want laws passed which represent their warped interpretation of the bible and if they dont get their way then they complain about repression and persecution


Australia is behind Canada and South Africa when it comes to gay rights. The fact that there weren't even enough socially liberal parties in your legislatures to back gay marriage speaks volumes.


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15 Jan 2012, 10:08 pm

M_P I think you may be misplacing my intent. Australia is a long way behind MANY countries when it comes to civil rights, ethical considerations, and basic common decency. That being sasid it is still very hard to understand the mindset in the US. Your question was with regard to the level of persecution fundies feel. I would like to postulate that perception of persecution increases exponentially with the level of fundementalism attained. Luckily one of the social ills that we dont have in Australia is religous llobby with the same influence as in the US or some arab states


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