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Kraichgauer
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Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
20 Jun 2012, 11:26 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
DC wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Do you think since Obama has been elected, racism in America has made a comeback? I never heard people discussing race like this in the 90s or prior to 2008.
People didn't discuss the LA riots and Rodney King in the 90's?
Perhaps it is because you are starting to becoming more politically aware as you get older and as a child you were more interested in cartoons than race riots?
I remember people discussing it...
Anyways, I don't think racism is as prevalent as what the left wants people to believe. I think that people these days are accusing people that don't agree with them of being racist in an attempt to intimidate those people and as a result destroyed the meaning of the word so that when someone really is discriminated against based on race no one will believe them, courtesy of those people trying to use the term to intimidate people, that's what is so sad about all of this.
Really? You seriously don't think racism is still a problem? Stereotyping minorities as "taking advantage of welfare and other social programs" is the new, allegedly more respectable face of racism. And it made its appearance in the Republican primaries with Gingrich's and Santorum's rhetoric not all that long ago.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Thank you for making my case for me Kraichgauer, if you had actually listened to what Gingrich had said, it was bashing Democrats and Obama in particular on the account of their policies, it had nothing to do with race.
It's pretty clear liberals are in panic mode.
His reference to urban poor neighborhoods is code for black. I don't recall him ever talking about rural poor on welfare, who are overwhelmingly white.
And regarding the president's policies, what could possibly be wrong with providing a means of eating and shelter to people who couldn't otherwise afford it?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Even if that were the case, he was bashing the Government, not minorities. He was pointing out that the Government was deliberately forcing people into a learned dependence, instead of coming up with ways for people to learn to take care of themselves.
There is a certain dignity in holding a job and earning money as the result of work you have done personally. That is what Gingrich was referring to. The left just screamed Newt was being racist because he exposed how Liberals have been taking advantage of people to get votes.
Again, you're believing your own right wing propaganda. I'm sorry, but there is no grand scheme to get people dependent on the government. And if it were true, to what point would that be directed to? To get people on social programs to vote Democratic? As a matter of fact, with the exception of the elderly on social security, poor people unfortunately are under represented on the voters roles. In fact, the rural poor tend to be very conservative. So that bit of conservative propaganda just doesn't hold water.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I actually listened to the entire quote Kraichgauer, in context. Something you apparently did not. I listened to every primary debate while it was on live TV, something that I sincerely doubt that you did.
1. Newt was referring to people being pushed into learned dependence, it had nothing to do with race.
2. Gingrich was providing a solution for inner-city kids to earn extra money legally, where they had some self-respect because they feel like they accomplished something, it may also help them do better in school because they have learned responsibility.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1-22w2G7M[/youtube]
I don't see how encouraging people to someday own their own small business would be considered racist.
You know, I really hate having to repeat myself over and over, and I wouldn't have to repeat myself if some people would actually listen or read what I had typed the first time. You want to call me a broken record, how about you actually wise up so I don't have to repeat myself.
Gingrich is still talking about inner city youth, who are overwhelmingly black. To say that none of them have any work ethic or positive role models is insulting to them.
And if you fire those school janitors in favor of having school kids do their jobs "to teach them work ethics," you're going to put those janitors on the unemployment line. Republicans constantly talk about encouraging people to start their own businesses, but the idea that you can earn - perhaps through negotiation - a good wage working for either the private of public sector is somehow bad.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Jun 2012, 1:17 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
DC wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
Do you think since Obama has been elected, racism in America has made a comeback? I never heard people discussing race like this in the 90s or prior to 2008.
People didn't discuss the LA riots and Rodney King in the 90's?
Perhaps it is because you are starting to becoming more politically aware as you get older and as a child you were more interested in cartoons than race riots?
I remember people discussing it...
Anyways, I don't think racism is as prevalent as what the left wants people to believe. I think that people these days are accusing people that don't agree with them of being racist in an attempt to intimidate those people and as a result destroyed the meaning of the word so that when someone really is discriminated against based on race no one will believe them, courtesy of those people trying to use the term to intimidate people, that's what is so sad about all of this.
Really? You seriously don't think racism is still a problem? Stereotyping minorities as "taking advantage of welfare and other social programs" is the new, allegedly more respectable face of racism. And it made its appearance in the Republican primaries with Gingrich's and Santorum's rhetoric not all that long ago.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Thank you for making my case for me Kraichgauer, if you had actually listened to what Gingrich had said, it was bashing Democrats and Obama in particular on the account of their policies, it had nothing to do with race.
It's pretty clear liberals are in panic mode.
His reference to urban poor neighborhoods is code for black. I don't recall him ever talking about rural poor on welfare, who are overwhelmingly white.
And regarding the president's policies, what could possibly be wrong with providing a means of eating and shelter to people who couldn't otherwise afford it?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Even if that were the case, he was bashing the Government, not minorities. He was pointing out that the Government was deliberately forcing people into a learned dependence, instead of coming up with ways for people to learn to take care of themselves.
There is a certain dignity in holding a job and earning money as the result of work you have done personally. That is what Gingrich was referring to. The left just screamed Newt was being racist because he exposed how Liberals have been taking advantage of people to get votes.
Again, you're believing your own right wing propaganda. I'm sorry, but there is no grand scheme to get people dependent on the government. And if it were true, to what point would that be directed to? To get people on social programs to vote Democratic? As a matter of fact, with the exception of the elderly on social security, poor people unfortunately are under represented on the voters roles. In fact, the rural poor tend to be very conservative. So that bit of conservative propaganda just doesn't hold water.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I actually listened to the entire quote Kraichgauer, in context. Something you apparently did not. I listened to every primary debate while it was on live TV, something that I sincerely doubt that you did.
1. Newt was referring to people being pushed into learned dependence, it had nothing to do with race.
2. Gingrich was providing a solution for inner-city kids to earn extra money legally, where they had some self-respect because they feel like they accomplished something, it may also help them do better in school because they have learned responsibility.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1-22w2G7M[/youtube]
I don't see how encouraging people to someday own their own small business would be considered racist.
You know, I really hate having to repeat myself over and over, and I wouldn't have to repeat myself if some people would actually listen or read what I had typed the first time. You want to call me a broken record, how about you actually wise up so I don't have to repeat myself.
Gingrich is still talking about inner city youth, who are overwhelmingly black. To say that none of them have any work ethic or positive role models is insulting to them.
And if you fire those school janitors in favor of having school kids do their jobs "to teach them work ethics," you're going to put those janitors on the unemployment line. Republicans constantly talk about encouraging people to start their own businesses, but the idea that you can earn - perhaps through negotiation - a good wage working for either the private of public sector is somehow bad.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually it looks more like Gingrich is stating the obvious of how liberals are pushing inner city kids into an endless cycle of poverty and despair... He isn't bashing minorities, he's bashing Liberal Democrats and quite frankly I agree with Newt, furthermore if you were standing in front of me, I'd say it to your face.
As a Conservative, I have had it with the B.S. where Obamabots and other leftists accuse us of being racist simply cause we have a difference in opinion. Enough is enough, pointing out how Democrat policies to make inner city kids dependent on Government handouts for their entire lives is not racist, it's pointing out how Liberals are victimizing inner city kids.
It wouldn't surprise me if the few conservatives here haven't also been tempted to chew you and other liberals here out over this, well quite frankly I think it is past time for you and others to be chewed out.
If you take offense to this, too bad, you and your fellow liberals and I'm publicly calling out at least one moderator out too don't have a leg to stand on. I am sick of being falsely accused of being racist, I also am disgusted with people like you falsely accusing people of being a racist, I'm also extremely angry at being called a bigot.
I am sorely tempted to post this up in a few conservative blog sites, and give them the link to here, two reasons why I haven't.
1. Like all communities they have some crazies or village idiots that I don't want showing up to give Conservatives a bad name.
2. Most of them are Neurotypicals and I don't particularly want a full fledged free for all between NTs and people on the spectrum because neither side understands the other.
21 Jun 2012, 1:37 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually it looks more like Gingrich is stating the obvious of how liberals are pushing inner city kids into an endless cycle of poverty and despair...
Like these?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxqbwebKpX4&feature=related[/youtube]
Inuyasha wrote:
He isn't bashing minorities, he's bashing Liberal Democrats and quite frankly I agree with Newt, furthermore if you were standing in front of me, I'd say it to your face.
You're getting mighty brave.
Inuyasha wrote:
As a Conservative, I have had it with the B.S. where Obamabots and other leftists accuse us of being racist simply cause we have a difference in opinion. Enough is enough, pointing out how Democrat policies to make inner city kids dependent on Government handouts for their entire lives is not racist, it's pointing out how Liberals are victimizing inner city kids.
How are "Liberals victimizing inner city kids?" "Liberals" are usually accused of victimizing the rich.
Inuyasha wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if the few conservatives here haven't also been tempted to chew you and other liberals here out over this, well quite frankly I think it is past time for you and others to be chewed out.
Inuyasha wrote:
If you take offense to this, too bad, you and your fellow liberals and I'm publicly calling out at least one moderator out too don't have a leg to stand on.
Which moderator?Inuyasha wrote:
I am sick of being falsely accused of being racist, I also am disgusted with people like you falsely accusing people of being a racist, I'm also extremely angry at being called a bigot.
Who called you a bigot? Who falsely accused you of being racist?
Inuyasha wrote:
I am sorely tempted to post this up in a few conservative blog sites, and give them the link to here, two reasons why I haven't.
1. Like all communities they have some crazies or village idiots that I don't want showing up to give Conservatives a bad name.
2. Most of them are Neurotypicals and I don't particularly want a full fledged free for all between NTs and people on the spectrum because neither side understands the other.
I'm genuinely curious to see what you would consider "crazies and village idiots" who "give Conservatives a bad name." They must be rather frightening.
Kraichgauer
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Posts: 49,194
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
21 Jun 2012, 1:40 pm
I never accused you of ever being a racist.
Personally, I don't think Gingrich is a racist either - but I think he essentially sold his soul by trying to appeal to racist voters, particularly in the south. Same way as he sold his soul when he advocated for the draconian measures of the Ryan plan - a buttload of hateful idiocy which he had originally labeled as right wing social engineering. Newt Gingrich is by no means a stupid man, but he adopts its ideas to pander to his most extreme constituency.
And I too would tell that to your face. 
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Jun 2012, 1:48 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
I never accused you of ever being a racist.
Personally, I don't think Gingrich is a racist either - but I think he essentially sold his soul by trying to appeal to racist voters, particularly in the south. Same way as he sold his soul when he advocated for the draconian measures of the Ryan plan - a buttload of hateful idiocy which he had originally labeled as right wing social engineering. Newt Gingrich is by no means a stupid man, but he adopts its ideas to pander to his most extreme constituency.
And I too would tell that to your face.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Personally, I don't think Gingrich is a racist either - but I think he essentially sold his soul by trying to appeal to racist voters, particularly in the south. Same way as he sold his soul when he advocated for the draconian measures of the Ryan plan - a buttload of hateful idiocy which he had originally labeled as right wing social engineering. Newt Gingrich is by no means a stupid man, but he adopts its ideas to pander to his most extreme constituency.
And I too would tell that to your face.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Are you two flirting with each other?
21 Jun 2012, 1:50 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually it looks more like Gingrich is stating the obvious of how liberals are pushing inner city kids into an endless cycle of poverty and despair...
Like these?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxqbwebKpX4&feature=related[/youtube]
If you studied geography, you would know that Mexico City is in MEXICO, which is its own Sovereign Nation...
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
He isn't bashing minorities, he's bashing Liberal Democrats and quite frankly I agree with Newt, furthermore if you were standing in front of me, I'd say it to your face.
You're getting mighty brave.
Actually, I getting fed up, and I think my response to you and some others here is more than justified.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As a Conservative, I have had it with the B.S. where Obamabots and other leftists accuse us of being racist simply cause we have a difference in opinion. Enough is enough, pointing out how Democrat policies to make inner city kids dependent on Government handouts for their entire lives is not racist, it's pointing out how Liberals are victimizing inner city kids.
How are "Liberals victimizing inner city kids?" "Liberals" are usually accused of victimizing the rich.
You're making inner city kids dependent on Government Handouts for everything, and not giving them the opportunity to get jobs and learn to be able to be independent and pull themselves out of poverty.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if the few conservatives here haven't also been tempted to chew you and other liberals here out over this, well quite frankly I think it is past time for you and others to be chewed out.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
If you take offense to this, too bad, you and your fellow liberals and I'm publicly calling out at least one moderator out too don't have a leg to stand on.
Which moderator?I'm waiting for him to make the first move, though it isn't hard to figure out which moderator I'm referring to.
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I am sick of being falsely accused of being racist, I also am disgusted with people like you falsely accusing people of being a racist, I'm also extremely angry at being called a bigot.
Who called you a bigot? Who falsely accused you of being racist?
Stop playing innocent...
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I am sorely tempted to post this up in a few conservative blog sites, and give them the link to here, two reasons why I haven't.
1. Like all communities they have some crazies or village idiots that I don't want showing up to give Conservatives a bad name.
2. Most of them are Neurotypicals and I don't particularly want a full fledged free for all between NTs and people on the spectrum because neither side understands the other.
I'm genuinely curious to see what you would consider "crazies and village idiots" who "give Conservatives a bad name." They must be rather frightening.
More like incredibly annoying...
21 Jun 2012, 2:00 pm
21 Jun 2012, 2:07 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
If you studied geography, you would know that Mexico City is in MEXICO, which is its own Sovereign Nation...
Wow! You're smart!
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually, I getting fed up, and I think my response to you and some others here is more than justified.
What response was that, again?
Inuyasha wrote:
You're making inner city kids dependent on Government Handouts for everything, and not giving them the opportunity to get jobs and learn to be able to be independent and pull themselves out of poverty.
Aw, boo-hoo.
Inuyasha wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
If you take offense to this, too bad, you and your fellow liberals and I'm publicly calling out at least one moderator out too don't have a leg to stand on.
Which moderator?I'm waiting for him to make the first move, though it isn't hard to figure out which moderator I'm referring to.
Oh, cum now. Give us a hint. What did this moderator do to you?
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I am sick of being falsely accused of being racist, I also am disgusted with people like you falsely accusing people of being a racist, I'm also extremely angry at being called a bigot.
Who called you a bigot? Who falsely accused you of being racist? Stop playing innocent...
I'm not playing--I really am innocent. Who was it?
Inuyasha wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I am sorely tempted to post this up in a few conservative blog sites, and give them the link to here, two reasons why I haven't.
1. Like all communities they have some crazies or village idiots that I don't want showing up to give Conservatives a bad name.
2. Most of them are Neurotypicals and I don't particularly want a full fledged free for all between NTs and people on the spectrum because neither side understands the other.
I'm genuinely curious to see what you would consider "crazies and village idiots" who "give Conservatives a bad name." They must be rather frightening.
More like incredibly annoying...
I remain genuinely curious. What do these "crazies and village idiots" who "give Conservatives a bad name" do that you find "incredibly annoying?"
Kraichgauer
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Posts: 49,194
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
21 Jun 2012, 2:23 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I never accused you of ever being a racist.
Personally, I don't think Gingrich is a racist either - but I think he essentially sold his soul by trying to appeal to racist voters, particularly in the south. Same way as he sold his soul when he advocated for the draconian measures of the Ryan plan - a buttload of hateful idiocy which he had originally labeled as right wing social engineering. Newt Gingrich is by no means a stupid man, but he adopts its ideas to pander to his most extreme constituency.
And I too would tell that to your face.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Personally, I don't think Gingrich is a racist either - but I think he essentially sold his soul by trying to appeal to racist voters, particularly in the south. Same way as he sold his soul when he advocated for the draconian measures of the Ryan plan - a buttload of hateful idiocy which he had originally labeled as right wing social engineering. Newt Gingrich is by no means a stupid man, but he adopts its ideas to pander to his most extreme constituency.
And I too would tell that to your face.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Are you two flirting with each other?
I'm starting to wonder that my- - ... HO NO! I'm a married man!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer
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