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09 Jun 2012, 11:19 pm

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They are a minority of the U.S. population and yet they commit most of the violent crime. Is it due to poverty?
My ancestors were rich, and they owned slaves. I am presently very much enjoying that fact. A lot of their ancestors were slaves, and then their parents and grandparents were treated worse than dogs for a hundred years.

Do you need any further explanation?


I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.


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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........



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10 Jun 2012, 12:56 am

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They are a minority of the U.S. population and yet they commit most of the violent crime. Is it due to poverty?
My ancestors were rich, and they owned slaves. I am presently very much enjoying that fact. A lot of their ancestors were slaves, and then their parents and grandparents were treated worse than dogs for a hundred years.

Do you need any further explanation?


I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.


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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........


No, we liberals do not disapprove of black conservative politicians. We disapprove of all conservative politicians. :lol:

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10 Jun 2012, 1:29 am

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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........


Herman Cain was amazing, I am hard pressed to find someone that would not agree with me. The pizza guy!


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10 Jun 2012, 1:34 am

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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........


Herman Cain was amazing, I am hard pressed to find someone that would not agree with me. The pizza guy!


As Al Sharpton had said about Cain, "I wouldn't vote for him even if he was running against a white man."

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10 Jun 2012, 1:36 am

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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........


Herman Cain was amazing, I am hard pressed to find someone that would not agree with me. The pizza guy!


As Al Sharpton had said about Cain, "I wouldn't vote for him even if he was running against a white man."

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If he gave me a free pizza I would :P SHUCKY DUCKY!


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10 Jun 2012, 2:41 am

Delphiki wrote:
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Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.

That's exactly why the left so strongly disapproves of black conservatives and black conservative politicians.........


Herman Cain was amazing, I am hard pressed to find someone that would not agree with me. The pizza guy!


As Al Sharpton had said about Cain, "I wouldn't vote for him even if he was running against a white man."
If he gave me a free pizza I would :P SHUCKY DUCKY!

i wouldn't vote for him unless he were running against satan. even then, i'd have to wonder who the lesser of those two evils really was.



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10 Jun 2012, 3:33 am

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i wouldn't vote for him unless he were running against satan. even then, i'd have to wonder who the lesser of those two evils really was.


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10 Jun 2012, 5:28 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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They are a minority of the U.S. population and yet they commit most of the violent crime. Is it due to poverty?
My ancestors were rich, and they owned slaves. I am presently very much enjoying that fact. A lot of their ancestors were slaves, and then their parents and grandparents were treated worse than dogs for a hundred years.

Do you need any further explanation?


I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.


I'm not sure how long you have been back but welcome back.

Single Parent Households

http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107

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Non-Hispanic White 24%
Black or African American 66%
American Indian 52%
Asian and Pacific Islander 16%
Hispanic or Latino 41%
Total 34%


While welfare benefits have been suggested to impact the single parent issue, it is much more complex than that per the social issues intertwined with urban poverty among African Americans.

Single parent families are a correlated factor among youth whom are part of the criminal justice system.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

Temporary Assistance, per totals, for needy families is provided to close to 30 percent for Non-Hispanic Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics.

Welfare reform enacted in 1996, was successful as long as the economy was booming, and jobs were available. Now, per a different economy, and a different job outlook, deep poverty is at the highest levels measured in 18 years.

When children don't have access to subsistence, and parents dont have opportunities for jobs, crime rates rise, substance abuse increases, as well as mental illness. The unemployment rates approach 16% for African Americans, almost double that of Caucasian Americans.

The cycle of poverty is evidenced as extremely difficult to pull out of when it is deep poverty. Not likely anyone's life would be quite the same, if born into extreme economic disadvantage as opposed to advantage.

And it's not easy for those assumed to have the most advantage; college graduates of all ethnicities, per 2011 statistics, on average with a higher than 50 percent unemployment rate under the age of 25. Most have families of means to fall back on, though, for subsistence, and even insurance coverage. The situation would be much more dire, without that safety net.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/us/welfare-limits-left-poor-adrift-as-recession-hit.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1


Welfare reform in 1996, had no beneficial impact on the rising number of African American males incarcerated in the US, as well as the rest of the male population. Nor did the number of single parent African American households decrease in percentage.

A similar impact was noted in Russia, when social welfare was eliminated, and crime rates escalated, per 50% of the economy involved in organized crime. The rates of incarceration there are only second to the US, anywhere else in the world.

The US is a much larger country. If the social welfare system breaks down, the US can expect much of the same; a country that moves toward developing world status, per crime and violence, as in other countries, that measure low levels of societial health.

Russia provides evidence that it's not an issue of color. Instead it appears to be an overall issue of societial health. A balance for a safety net for those that are disadvantaged, is a requirement whether it is provided by society, family, friends, or other private organizations. Those type of advantages seen long ago in families of 9 or 10 individuals, are no longer a reality in society. Many people have no one to turn to for help. It's part of the reason why neighborhoods and organized religion are so important; the factors can work together to provide actual social cohesion.

Both of those factors continue to grow weaker in the country. The government social welfare system, per the close to 50% of Amerians that receive food stamps is now a lifeline for the survival of individuals.

Not only that but it is a lifeline for survival for business and the economy. Just means tested Federal and State welfare pumps close to a Trillion dollars into the economy every year, from grocery stores, to department stores, to housing, to medical care, and to all other subsistence needs that fuel the life of the economy.

It is not only social welfare, it is a stimulus to the economy that keeps businesses open, as well as providing a significant number of the jobs, per the overall economy. Close to an additional trillion dollars is pumped into the economy with social security benefits, along with other government benefits to citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare#cite_note-26

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf


If all social welfare benefits were cut off like a faucet tommorrow, the US would be a third world country. It is the only barrier that exists to that reality. The economy would come to a grinding halt.

Much of this close to 2 trillion dollars a year in total social welfare benefits is money spent on required subsistence. It's not like a tax break where one has the option of putting it in a bank account, instead of into the economy.

Politicians aren't that stupid, regardless of blue or red color or rhetoric, to welcome anarchy that would likely impact them as well as most everyone else in the nation. They know the 50% statistics in food stamps, the unemployment rates, and the prisons that are already filled to capacity.

The criminal justice system, too, has become an extension of that welfare system, in part for those of all ethnicities that turned to the subsistence gaining alternative of selling drugs, and the escape for some from the hopeless cycle of deep poverty, through the use of illegal drugs. Costs for the criminal justice system have increased from about 40 Billion annually in 1982 to close to over 200 Billion in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Cost

Not to mention the many additional jobs available in the prison system, as well as additional constructed prisons that were not needed before the incarceration boom.

The fact that the US and Russia has the highest per capita rates of incarceration, filling prison capacities to the max, is not a sign of societial health for either country. Social Welfare in the US is the only thing that stands between a relative calm and almost certain chaos.

There are no alternatives to the current system as is, because there are no significant alternatives for additional job opportunities. If college graduates can't find jobs, it can't be any easier for those in the vicious cycle of deep poverty, in urban centers where the industries of the past have disappeared, as well as rural areas, regardless of ethnicity.

There usually are no safety nets, except for families for young adult males. The issues become more complicated when there is no family with resources. This is obviously more likely an issue in single parent families, in urban centers where deep poverty exists. Many people are born into this circumstance that continues to perpetuate itself, because for some there are few to no options.

It's much more complicated than that, but the single parent families at rates of close to 70%, in pockets of deep poverty in urban centers, is where the problems start for some. And the war on drugs has provided additional enforcement per one of the few options left for some for subsistence. Prison becomes the only option left for survival, for some, other than the option of living homeless without food on the streets.

Life is not supposed to be fair, but the environmental odds are definitely stacked against young adult African Males, per the statistics as they exist, for the environments they are born into, in the US. Some overcome that adversity, but obviously some don't. The incarceration rates are reflective of it.

Scandanavian countries, are one of the few area left, where there is any social safety net, for healthy young adult males. It's no wonder the rates of crime there have been historically low per other western countries. That won't likely ever happen in the US, because of the predisposition toward competition when there is heterogenity. In another 10 years, the criminal justice system will probably cost a trillion dollars annually. Part of the price for not having a safety net for healthy young adult males. The safety net becomes prison, and the cost per young adult male is more expensive than an alternate safety net. It's part of what happened in Russia.



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10 Jun 2012, 6:58 am

visit the former Yugoslavia and ask why so many white folks commit crimes. Ditto Albania. Ditto Macedon.

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10 Jun 2012, 7:17 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
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They are a minority of the U.S. population and yet they commit most of the violent crime. Is it due to poverty?
My ancestors were rich, and they owned slaves. I am presently very much enjoying that fact. A lot of their ancestors were slaves, and then their parents and grandparents were treated worse than dogs for a hundred years.

Do you need any further explanation?


I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.




:lmao:


Keep drinkin' the tea party kool-ade, my friend. What you posted is certainly original, insightful, and correct.


Native Americans as a group are doing better than blacks are ATM.



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10 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
Jitro wrote:
They are a minority of the U.S. population and yet they commit most of the violent crime. Is it due to poverty?
My ancestors were rich, and they owned slaves. I am presently very much enjoying that fact. A lot of their ancestors were slaves, and then their parents and grandparents were treated worse than dogs for a hundred years.

Do you need any further explanation?


I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.


Racism was not "abolished" the moment slaves were freed. :roll: Racism was alive and well through the 60s even in the north.



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10 Jun 2012, 11:56 pm

and something even worse than defacto slavery was alive and well up until ww2.



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11 Jun 2012, 1:54 am

Even after the Civil War, into the early 20th century, there were white southern farmers often along with the help of local authorities who had - believe it or not - managed to force blacks into involuntary servitude. In many cases, they were black people who had been grabbed up in dragnet and convicted on spurious charges, then lent out as unpaid labor by local governments. Murder and violence was often employed to keep black involuntary labor in line, and only rarely punished when discovered by state governments.

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11 Jun 2012, 10:42 am

Look at the Great Migration. Millions of blacks came North looking for work in the 20th century. Did they find open arms? No. When they moved in to an area, whites and everyone else moved out. THe net result being the creation of northern poverty reservations just like in the South. There was a culture clash factor as well (North v South and rural v urban mentalities).

So you end up with millions of poor blacks living in cities with reduced tax bases, poor school systems, unofficially segregated, etc. There is always room for individual achievement but by and large the majority of blacks were stuck in these places because their parents were stuck there.



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11 Jun 2012, 10:48 am

Inuyasha wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread but in all honesty this explanation is a load of garbage.

Prior to the Government Welfare insanity, African Americans had a pretty close knit family structure. A lot of kids knew their fathers and their mothers, and as such they saw more stability and they weren't as likely to be involved in criminal activity.

When the Government Welfare system started up, people in poverty were denied welfare checks if there were any hints of an adult male being in the house, apartment, etc. This encouraged the break-up of the family unit, and therefore left children with a more unstable environment and in the case of young boys, no adult male role model.

While slavery was something that everyone will agree was a heinous crime, it is also something that has been abolished generations ago, furthermore the break up of the family structure was in the last 30 to 40 years.

Native Americans however see their problems dating back further to the Reservations and taking children away from their families so they lost a lot of their cultural heritage. Granted Native Americans are doing better now, but they still have a ways to go in order to recover. Additionally, rampant alcoholism doesn't help matters.

Thing is there are many politicians that want this situation to continue so they continue to have a group of people that will blindly vote for them so the welfare checks keep coming.


So it seems that the obvious reply to these circumstances is that welfare--as it is implemented in countries like the United States and Canada--is not the appropriate means to address the issue of poverty. Welfare systems that establish barriers to access (whether that is the presence of an adult male in the household, or the need to be able to fill in a 20 page application form and provide a home mailing address) are systems that will serve to keep people in poverty, rather than provide them with the tools to extricate themselves from it.

Conservatives can't seem to see beyond the handout. There is no critical lens brought to the question, "How do we create a society in which no one is required to live in poverty?"

I think we need to build a coalition of progressives and conservatives around a fundamental rethink of income policy--and a "guaranteed annual income" approach might be just the vehicle to do it. Tear down the bureaucracies that exist only for the purpose of denying and cutting benefits, and establish, instead, a simple system that ensures that every single individual within the country can live above the poverty line. No disincentives to work. No disincentives to education. Just a guarantee of enough money to keep a roof over one's head and food in one's kitchen.


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11 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm

You have balls good sir... See here is my opinion, there are black people and then there are n******s. Black people a respectable, normal and civilized people like Barrack Obama, Herman Cain, Morgan Freeman, and Bill Cosby. A n***** is the stereotypical "yO yO yO gUrL i SlAp DaT aSs Yo" or "yO yO yO i PoP a CaP iN yO aSs Yo iF yO DoNt GiVe MuH sPeCiAl TrEaTmEnT lIeK fReE cOlLeGe, mOoNeY, aNd JoBs bCuZ oF sUmTiN dAt HaPpEnEd cEntUriEs aGo AnD dAt I hAvE nO pErSonAl CoNnEcTiOn ToO yO!"

I mean if they choose to act like that stereotype by being a stupid immature child then they are open for being discriminated against because they are acting like a f*****g idiot. For example I identify as a bisexual male but I find the whole gay pride parades and the gay men who shove their sexuality in peoples faces just as childish and repulsive as the black stereotype. How about people not try to show off and look like cartoon characters and more like human beings?