If guns were made illegal everywhere.

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Where have you been in 99% of situations? On your comfy little armchair? You're the same guy that says shooting someone 6 times is murder REGARDLESS of whether or not it's necessary for incapacitation.

I've got an idea: How about informing yourself on guns and crime before shooting your mouth off with condescending BS? People who were scared s**tless and traumatized from having to use deadly force to defend themselves or their family have people like you labeling them murderers from the comfort of your armchairs because they shot someone 6 times. I'd like you to say that to their faces buddy.

My idea of a mixed approach is guns rights AND addressing the social issues. Ending the Drug War would stop a lot of the violence for one and better mental health services would also help tremendously. Other than that, I don't think "society" produces criminals but certain socioeconomic subcultures do. There's not much that can be done other than taking these little kids away from their parents and their neighbourhoods and brainwashing them with middle class WASP values.

To be fair, I think the pro-gun control people are too focused on palliative care as well (they tend to think that banning guns will magically solve the entire problem). And, I believe in gun rights, to an extent. Guns are great for hunting purposes, shooting sports, accuracy contests, etc.

But, I think guns are bad for self-defense. One's country is in really bad shape if you actually need guns to be safe. If you need guns to keep yourself safe, then by all means keep the guns for now, but get straight to work on fixing the situation of needing them on a constant basis, then ditch them. I'm a firm believer that not all cultures and subcultures are created equal. If these certain socio-economic subcultures are responsible for so much of the gun violence, then they need to be dealt with. If brainwashing them into WASP values is the only viable solution then so be it.

Carrying so many guns around all the time is just asking for it. Seriously. You're ASKING for a country full of armed criminals when you have so many guns available, imo. You simply don't need everyone roaming around with a huge arsenal in order to enjoy all the pleasures guns have to offer, and New Zealand's culture and attitude toward guns seems to vindicate that standpoint.

I can honestly say I've never encountered a more willfully ignorant group of people than the anti-gun crowd.
No matter how you explain it to them; no matter how much experience, patience, logic, knowledge, eloquence, intellect, or whatever they won't listen one morsel of it.


The bottom line is they have no control over what we do and their broken record rhetoric and constant bleating really doesn't matter.
I think I'll put on the Glock 23 and go for a walk.
Maybe later I'll go for a ride and take the AR-15 or M1A just in case Mars attacks.
Not because I need to or especially desire to but just because I CAN and there's nothing they can do about it.

There goes that lack of self-reflection again

That's a silly argument that there would be shootings every minute. Sounds like the "blood in the streets" argument that the Brady Campaign used to stop carrying. Notice they've toned that down when crime actually went down when people started carrying.

I'm glad you brought up London and the Olympics. If gun free zones are so great, why are the London police arming themselves after centuries of being unarmed?

And yes, I have lived in a gun free zone. It didn't stop the criminals from shooting, it didn't stop the criminals from executing a police officer in cold blood, it didn't stop the criminals from robbing and raping. Even if they didn't use guns, they used knives, they used baseball bats, they used any weapon they can get their hands on. My friend walked 1 block from his house and was jumped and robbed of everything he had. He had no defense, it was a gun free zone. If he'd had a gun, there would be 1 less criminal in the city.

I now live in a state with some of the strictest gun control in America, and we routinely rank in the top 10 most dangerous cities. I guess no one told the criminals that they aren't allowed to carry guns.

I've also lived in places were I can legally carry a gun. I've known people who living in these places have actually prevented crimes. I've actually stopped what appeared to be a crime before finding it out it was just dumb kids playing (A girl running for her life yelling for help and a guy chasing her.)

I would not list them there, but thanks for asking and thank god no firearms where involved since I woudn't write here anymore.



no never said that.

I would love too. Net discussions are full of misunderstandings, I am sure face to face we would understand each other much better.



Could not say it better.




Well, I really don't undestand this. You do something only to irritate people?

thewhitrbbit- "Gun free zone" for me means civilians have no guns for sh***y reasons like "I want, I fear, I can, I hate, I don't care, I I I and you die "


Well I don't know where did you live, England I suppose? Was there more crime and shooting than in US?
And strictest gun control in America means what?

You don't go to meetings of the Republican Party?

It wouldn't matter if guns were banned, if someone wanted to hurt someone else they would just use a knife or something! "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"......love that statement because it's so true. Did Prohibition in the USA stop people from drinking alcohol?.....heck no

Firearm prohibition will neither stop the manufacture of fire arms nor their use.

It IS capable of working, at least in some countries. Gun prohibition (or more accurately, strong regulations) have largely eliminated both the illegal manufacture and use of guns for criminal purposes here in New Zealand. But, I think a culture that is opposed to the usage of guns plays a big part of that. The only people out here who have guns, have them for things like hunting and shooting contests.

Every time I've gone hunting out here, I've had no problems grabbing a gun from one of my hunting mates that do own some. And I never hear any of them complaining about how it's too hard to get a gun, especially while they're digging through their pile of them.

I know willful ignorance all too well from growing up around my democrat parents.

If you chose to be irritated I can provide that, yes.


Apparently it didn’t stop James Holmes (Aurora), Nidal Malik Hasan (Ft. Hood), and Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech). A total of 57 deaths in just those three cases to shoot down your gun free theory.

how so? all those guys had legal guns perhaps if they had a harder time obtaining them the events would not have happened.

maybe I don't understand your logic.

Stop feeding the troll, please, so we can have civilized discussions. All that guy is gonna do is bleat like a goat and post his inane smileys. Debate me instead! I'll play the Devil's Advocate if you like.

The violent incident in Wisconsin today is further evidence of the rednecking of America.

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Really letting me get to you, aren’t ya?



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Last I heard the shooter hadn’t been identified as a redneck but I guess you’re just throwing that up there to see if it sticks. Gotta milk the emotional surge for all it’s worth, eh?