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24 Nov 2012, 9:52 pm

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That's what failed businesses always use as an excuse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


And sometimes it is true.

Unions are, in the scheme of things, a reactionary no progressive element of our economy. And many of them are also criminal organizations.

In The Good Old Days, Henry Ford used to pay his workers top dollar for two reasons:

1. To keep the unions out of his factory
2. To make sure his workers could afford to buy the product they were making

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24 Nov 2012, 9:53 pm

There's always little Debbie.


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24 Nov 2012, 9:56 pm

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In The Good Old Days, Henry Ford used to pay his workers top dollar for two reasons:

1. To keep the unions out of his factory
2. To make sure his workers could afford to buy the product they were making

why can't more capitalists do such nowadays? after all, what profit is it to the capitalist if only a small group of people can afford his/her products?



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24 Nov 2012, 9:57 pm

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There's always little Debbie.

thank god for small favors. Image



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24 Nov 2012, 10:07 pm

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There's always little Debbie.


They could always buy the rights to Twinkies.


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24 Nov 2012, 10:26 pm

auntblabby wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
In The Good Old Days, Henry Ford used to pay his workers top dollar for two reasons:

1. To keep the unions out of his factory
2. To make sure his workers could afford to buy the product they were making

why can't more capitalists do such nowadays? after all, what profit is it to the capitalist if only a small group of people can afford his/her products?


I don't think they bother to look even that far. The short-sightedness of capitalism today is mind-boggling.



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24 Nov 2012, 10:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Unions are, in the scheme of things, a reactionary no progressive element of our economy. And many of them are also criminal organizations. In The Good Old Days, Henry Ford used to pay his workers top dollar for two reasons:

1. To keep the unions out of his factory
2. To make sure his workers could afford to buy the product they were making

ruveyn

Ole Unca Hank may have been a jerk, but he was a savvy jerk. Without him, Detroit would have been nothing more than a patchwork of slums and abandoned buildings even during WWII. Now look at what the unions have wrought without him.



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24 Nov 2012, 10:36 pm

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There's always little Debbie.


They could always buy the rights to Twinkies.

i can see it now- they'd call 'em "little debbie's twinkies" :)



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24 Nov 2012, 10:39 pm

Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then.

They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.



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24 Nov 2012, 11:52 pm

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Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.



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25 Nov 2012, 12:00 am

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Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


Or maybe they like the idea of smaller government, lower taxes, and the social beliefs of the Republican platform? Not everyone blindly follows along to the same drumbeat. Of course, I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.



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25 Nov 2012, 1:30 am

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I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.

which was what i was getting at- that the repubs are all about robbing the rest of us blind.



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25 Nov 2012, 1:45 am

I blame the products. While the world changed to being aware of what they eat, Twinkies did not change. Their view was, people want additives, and a product that is just as fresh after forty years in a land fill.

Besides which, it was marketed to children, mostly ones who could not read, with parents who did not care, if it was cheap and kept them quite.

Starting forty years ago birth control and abortion cut into the demographic, then Yuppi Greed prevented childbirth, and in a steady decline due to a decade of war, and economic disaster following disaster, the birth rate has hit a hundred year low, back to rates not seen since starving people got married before having children.

Facing a three pronged disaster they did nothing about remarketing the Brand. It would have not taken much to add "Now with 100% Natural Additives", Since the value of most additives is they are waste products from some other processed food, and we do have a Whey Problem, they could have at least tried. For one, Clay is natural and organic.

The shrinking demographic of sugar addicted whiners, could have lead to expanding the target market, to workers, pointing out you can huff down two Twinkies in half the time a candy bar takes. Add some of what makes Decaff coffee, a Nodoz of caffine in every Twink, and they would have beat Red Bull to market with the University and other hungover sets.

Egg shells are another food by product, and marketing to Seniors, as containing 123% of your daily natural Calcium need, and including a cupon for 5% off on your next purchase, would have played into senior cupon collecting, where they will buy the product that gives them one free after paying for twenty.

Then there is the Prepper and Doomsday market, what other food like product can stay on the shelf forever? Single sales can have a cupon for a discount on a case, that sealed, has an indefinate shelf life. Then they missed Sams Club, where it would be impossible to pass up a case of Ding Dongs for so cheap, compared to single retail sales.

The failure can be squarely blamed on Marketing, and the Product Chemist, for failing to keep up with market trends and changing demographics.

They also missed the ethnic change, marketing sex to the younger set, and keeping their product current with changing social views.

Need I cite viabrating brooms sold by the Harry Potter franchise? Not to waste those "Good Vibrations", they were concentrated in the shaped mini saddle, where the broom could be held between the thighs. The effects were the same as that three by six inch passenger seat on a Harley, Vroom, Vroom, Ohhh!

A few creases and folds down the top of a Twinkie, another opening for the creamy sweet sweet center, and renamed, Le Twink, wink wink, and they would have been suggestivly given away on playgrounds across America.

They missed an obvious market that could have been hotter than mini thongs in grammer school.

Marketing crossovers, the new normal, Bratz Dolls animation licking the cream out of the center of a Le Twink with three and a half folds down the top, and making plans for a weekend sleepover.

Static Brands die, product placement, Brand reidentification, is ongoing.

It was a retro marketing, to people who have no 50s nostalgia. Just look at Little Debbie, is that what girls admire in the post Bratz era? One look and you know her panties have legs, and she calls them drawers. She may as well be wearing a bonnet.

Thats life in business, so I am going to open a little machine that makes, "The Sweetest Thing on Earth", a folded little creampuff pastery, flesh colored on top, pink in the folds, with a hole in the center filled with creamy goodness, and the extra Calcium growing girls need.

Packed with more chemicals than a Flintstones Vitamin, one a day in the school snacks takes care of lots of problems.

For $14.95 plus S&H, we will send you Purring Puss, that kneeds with its paws, rubs its face back and forth while giving out the most delightful purr, that viabrates deep as its mouth opens and closes, and its tongue sweeps back and forth. Garanteed to be hours of fun.

Every girl needs a stuffed animal for her bed. No batteries needed, Puss is rechargable, never tires, can be charged while running, and has a ten speed remote control, with five pattern modes, wether you need a quick cuddle, or some long term affection, Purring Puss is always ready to give you what you want.

Little Debbie flunks being Liberated, Our spokes girl, Soon, will be seen sunning herself by the pool in a string bikini, enjoying the product, and her motto is, "A girl has to take care of herself, First!" And as she is shown with her friend, OK, who is hugging Purr Puss, the tag line, "And a little help from her friends."

Liberated young women taking control of their own lives, bodies, and goals, is what the market wants to hear. OK is called that because no matter what Soon says, she says, "OK".

The sweets demographic can be worked, when the product line is something the potential customer identifys with. Marketing targeted to the empowerment sought by the demographic, that shows examples of of a cultural ideal, a projected self image, will connect the product with existing driving ambitions of the consumers.

I think everyone at Hostess missed the boat, and the man in the boat, and even the changing meaning of Hostess. It now refers to workers in an Asian Spa, that offer happy endings.

They could have pulled a Rule 34 on Little Debbie, on 4chan, with a Ding Dong, and it would be all over the web. They know nothing of Social Media.

People think the past was crazy, but I give you, The Future!



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25 Nov 2012, 1:47 am

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They could have pulled a Rule 34 on Little Debbie, on 4chan, with a Ding Dong, and it would be all over the web. They know nothing of Social Media.

People think the past was crazy, but I give you, The Future!


Rule 35. :P


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25 Nov 2012, 2:25 am

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SpiritBlooms wrote:
Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


That, and the right appeals to so called "family values," which is actually playing up to people's fears and prejudices against gays, unwed mothers, welfare queens, and other so described monsters that threaten decent society. And as unions are associated with the left, which promotes all this alleged godlessness, they are by extension targeted for endangering our moral fabric! Three cheers for the culture warriors!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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25 Nov 2012, 2:05 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


Or maybe they like the idea of smaller government, lower taxes, and the social beliefs of the Republican platform? Not everyone blindly follows along to the same drumbeat. Of course, I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.

If they expect smaller government and lower taxes from the party that authored the Patriot Act, created Homeland Security, and started a war that cost trillions, they're deluding themselves. Yeah, keep those taxes low and borrow all that money - we'll laugh our country all the way to the poorhouse, and line our own pockets while we're at it. Who cares about the voter, once the election is over? Who cares about the future? NOW WE HAVE A MANDATE. That was the cry of the Bush administration for 8 years while it spent like a drunken sailor, and it's the cry of GOP members of Congress now. They don't care about the country, only themselves and their rich donors. I can't say the Democrats in office are much better, but to blame big government and taxation on the Democrats alone is just wrong.