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23 May 2013, 8:04 am

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I have seen some really nasty MRAs on the internet that I don't like, but I've also seen some pretty reasonable people. Topics that MRAs often talk about that I think are legitimate are:

Men have no reproductive rights
Men rarely get custody of children
Marriage is an arrangement that obligates a man to provide for a woman financially for life without any reciprocal obligations
A lot more resources go to women's healthcare even though men as a whole have much worse health
There are basically no social programs made for helping men even though nearly all homeless and incarcerated people are men
Women receive lighter punishments for equivalent crimes
2/3 of college graduates are women, but they still receive more financial aid
Single women make more than single men but they are still the only gender that can sue for sex discrimination

I think people instinctively think of women as being weak and defenseless and not responsible for their actions, so strange things happen when they try to mesh that with their conscious ideas about equality.


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On WP to date I've not seen anyone state any parts of the opposite gender's rights movement they support.


I'm not aware of any current feminist issues in western countries that are very serious. They talk about rape over and over again, but white women in western countries are actually by far the safest of all demographics. Really, you can look it up if you don't believe me, try the Bureau of Justice Statistics. If people really cared about reducing violence, then they would make a "stop the violence against black men act." Or maybe they wouldn't vote for any politician who supported US wars overseas.

And the pay-gap doesn't exist anymore. Young single women actually make more money than young single men, and when you account for work experience and education, they make more over-all at all age groups. 80% of consumer good are also spent on women, so I don't see how making more money is really such a good thing if you have to have longer work-hours to do it and most of your money is spent by somebody else.

And I think if people are really that upset about things like slut-shaming or goggly eyes, then they are p*****s. Obviously it's not very nice to do those things, but if men complained about how other people's behavior hurt their feelings, then they would be laughed at, and you know it.

Usually I really hate talking about this subject, because it makes everybody angry, and it doesn't help anything for me to think about this stuff all the time. But I didn't like how the original post made it sound like that you're a loser if you care about what happens to men. People always talk about how men are at the top of society, but if women are being oppressed because of that, then the majority of men who aren't CEOs or politicians are as well.


I didn't say feminism or MRA at all. Even if you're not members of either of those groups you're still going to have some principles regarding the rights of your gender. You don't have to be a feminist to strong beliefs in regards to rape culture. You don't have to be an MRA to support men's rights in family law court.

If women's rights are nothing to be taken seriously as you say then neither are men's. Hows that for throwing your dismissiveness back at you?



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23 May 2013, 8:04 am

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Drinking misogynist tears for breakfast... makes a body strong.


umm...

tears for breakfast..hmm


......


:o





BURN THE WITCH! :lol:



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23 May 2013, 8:07 am

So delicious, tears give me all my powers


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23 May 2013, 8:16 am

Brain powerz, to plot all teh evol feminist agendas :P



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23 May 2013, 8:18 am

I seriously thought you guys were smarter and less sheep-like than this. But you guys for the most part are just as bad as NTs. I never thought I'd see some of the posters' true colors. Misandry is allowed and misogyny isn't. Why can't both be disallowed, instead of misogyny getting treated seriously while misandry is brushed aside?

And don't anybody say that nobody is being a misandrist here. If you give me a couple days, I can bring up quite a few examples.

This society isn';t about equality at all. It's about trying to one-up each other, like Max said earlier.


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23 May 2013, 8:20 am

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I seriously thought you guys were smarter and less sheep-like than this. But you guys for the most part are just as bad as NTs. I never thought I'd see some of the posters' true colors. Misandry is allowed and misogyny isn't. Why can't both be disallowed, instead of misogyny getting treated seriously while misandry is brushed aside?

And don't anybody say that nobody is being a misandrist here. If you give me a couple days, I can bring up quite a few examples.

This society isn';t about equality at all. It's about trying to one-up each other, like Max said earlier.


Err no, that's what I said.



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23 May 2013, 8:51 am

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Brain powerz, to plot all teh evol feminist agendas :P


We'll take over the world! Prepare for the matriarchy! :P


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23 May 2013, 8:55 am

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I seriously thought you guys were smarter and less sheep-like than this. But you guys for the most part are just as bad as NTs. I never thought I'd see some of the posters' true colors. Misandry is allowed and misogyny isn't. Why can't both be disallowed, instead of misogyny getting treated seriously while misandry is brushed aside?

And don't anybody say that nobody is being a misandrist here. If you give me a couple days, I can bring up quite a few examples.

This society isn';t about equality at all. It's about trying to one-up each other, like Max said earlier.


If you have examples of misandry on the forum, you're 100% free to report it to the mods, and I would even encourage you to do so. I have no idea how many times I've seen misogyny on this forum and ignored it because it's so frequent and there's really no point, it's like the mods don't even care or don't even see it. So I just joke about it. Things like when I say "MISANDRY4LYFE" which is a reference to an in-joke on tumblr.

That's pretty much life for a lot of women, ignoring misogyny. No one says it's fair, but if there is a problem with misandry here, you should point it out when it happens. Though the fact that those who point out "misandry" never point out misogyny, that says a lot. Occasionally acknowledging it isn't the same thing as actually caring about it.

So when you say you want fairness and equality and you talk about the misandry problem, you should be talking about the misogyny problem too. Because every time someone brings up sexism toward women on this forum, the first thing that comes up is "What about the misandry!! !!"

So, fair is fair.


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23 May 2013, 9:10 am

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I didn't say feminism or MRA at all. Even if you're not members of either of those groups you're still going to have some principles regarding the rights of your gender. You don't have to be a feminist to strong beliefs in regards to rape culture. You don't have to be an MRA to support men's rights in family law court.

If women's rights are nothing to be taken seriously as you say then neither are men's. Hows that for throwing your dismissiveness back at you?


I don't think I ever said anything like I don't think women should be allowed to vote or that rape wasn't bad. I did say that I don't think there are any serious modern issues that feminists have to fight for, since they already have everything that they said they wanted several decades ago. I don't respect current feminist, "rights" movements today, because there is no reason to have a rights movement if you already have all the rights that you need.



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23 May 2013, 9:11 am

I'm...pretty sure the bitter guys outnumber the misandry driven girls here 10 to 1.



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23 May 2013, 9:18 am

I'm pretty certain that women have been nicer to me in real life than on here. What is there to complain, women are wunderbar!


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23 May 2013, 9:23 am

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I'm...pretty sure the bitter guys outnumber the misandry driven girls here 10 to 1.


But... guys make a huge kerfuffle about it, including trying to end conversations about sexism on WP as it wouldn't be fair to address what women encounter on here... due to the fact that they're pretty sure some girl being a feminist means they're being oppressed.


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23 May 2013, 9:26 am

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I'm pretty certain that women have been nicer to me in real life than on here. What is there to complain, women are wunderbar!


Engaging in L & D gender debates aren't good for first impressions.



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23 May 2013, 9:33 am

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appletheclown wrote:
I'm pretty certain that women have been nicer to me in real life than on here. What is there to complain, women are wunderbar!


Engaging in L & D gender debates aren't good for first impressions.


I agree, we have a genius in the works!


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23 May 2013, 9:35 am

Solving this whole misogyny problem would probably be made easier if so many of the claims of misogyny weren't BS. By this point a lot of the posters on this forum are using it as a shield to any kind of criticism.



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23 May 2013, 9:46 am

DialAForAwesome wrote:
I seriously thought you guys were smarter and less sheep-like than this. But you guys for the most part are just as bad as NTs. I never thought I'd see some of the posters' true colors. Misandry is allowed and misogyny isn't. Why can't both be disallowed, instead of misogyny getting treated seriously while misandry is brushed aside?

And don't anybody say that nobody is being a misandrist here. If you give me a couple days, I can bring up quite a few examples.

This society isn';t about equality at all. It's about trying to one-up each other, like Max said earlier.


you are wrong. Misandry can't exist, and does not exist, because these men that women complain about, deserve it.
These men are losers, creepy, have small dicks, misogyny. So you see these men earn their hatred from women, but it's
not hatred at all. Because these men are just losers of society.

since these men are the low of the low, then it's not really hatred at all.

( now you understand how misandry works, all hate groups are like this. (note: not all women are misandry, just like not all
christians are homophobic, or not all white people are racist)



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