I have seen some really nasty MRAs on the internet that I don't like, but I've also seen some pretty reasonable people. Topics that MRAs often talk about that I think are legitimate are:
Men have no reproductive rights
Men rarely get custody of children
Marriage is an arrangement that obligates a man to provide for a woman financially for life without any reciprocal obligations
A lot more resources go to women's healthcare even though men as a whole have much worse health
There are basically no social programs made for helping men even though nearly all homeless and incarcerated people are men
Women receive lighter punishments for equivalent crimes
2/3 of college graduates are women, but they still receive more financial aid
Single women make more than single men but they are still the only gender that can sue for sex discrimination
I think people instinctively think of women as being weak and defenseless and not responsible for their actions, so strange things happen when they try to mesh that with their conscious ideas about equality.
blue_bean wrote:
On WP to date I've not seen anyone state any parts of the opposite gender's rights movement they support.
I'm not aware of any current feminist issues in western countries that are very serious. They talk about rape over and over again, but white women in western countries are actually by far the safest of all demographics. Really, you can look it up if you don't believe me, try the Bureau of Justice Statistics. If people really cared about reducing violence, then they would make a "stop the violence against black men act." Or maybe they wouldn't vote for any politician who supported US wars overseas.
And the pay-gap doesn't exist anymore. Young single women actually make more money than young single men, and when you account for work experience and education, they make more over-all at all age groups. 80% of consumer good are also spent on women, so I don't see how making more money is really such a good thing if you have to have longer work-hours to do it and most of your money is spent by somebody else.
And I think if people are really that upset about things like slut-shaming or goggly eyes, then they are p*****s. Obviously it's not very nice to do those things, but if men complained about how other people's behavior hurt their feelings, then they would be laughed at, and you know it.
Usually I really hate talking about this subject, because it makes everybody angry, and it doesn't help anything for me to think about this stuff all the time. But I didn't like how the original post made it sound like that you're a loser if you care about what happens to men. People always talk about how men are at the top of society, but if women are being oppressed because of that, then the majority of men who aren't CEOs or politicians are as well.
I didn't say feminism or MRA at all. Even if you're not members of either of those groups you're still going to have some principles regarding the rights of your gender. You don't have to be a feminist to strong beliefs in regards to rape culture. You don't have to be an MRA to support men's rights in family law court.
If women's rights are nothing to be taken seriously as you say then neither are men's. Hows that for throwing your dismissiveness back at you?