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06 Jun 2013, 9:02 am

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A good bit of the world's countries hate the US right now (not new), and with congress being unable to get their heads in the game and actually fix something for once, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if a good bit of the world united in order to conquer us. The worst thing is, they'd probably succeed too.

Congress needs to get their heads out of their *sses, stop bickering over stupid crap, and actually think about the people for the first time in 30 years, or it just won't end well.

Democracy at this point is dead, the people haven't had a real choice in how the country is run in over 30 years. The only reason a presidential "election" is even held is to keep people who are too stupid to realize what is going on, oblivious to reality. I mean, seriously it's so obvious it's not even funny....


WOW. Kindred spirit. :lol:

I was really into politics. I largely lost interest when I came to the very same conclusion. Majoring in Mass Communications and Political Science in college, I KNOW how political campaigns are supposed to be run. Bush, Sr. v. Bill Clinton...Clinton v. Dole...Bush, Jr. v. Gore...Bush, Jr. v. Kerry...McCain v. Obama...Obama v. Romney. Every one of those elections were pretty much rigged from day one to push a desired outcome. None of them were the people picking the best and brightest to be President. Even a democratic leader in Wyoming commented about the 2000 election by saying, "Bush or Gore...are these really the best we can find to run for office?"

Elections are expensive theater to make the lemmings think they have a choice. Even if the less-preferred person wins, the people running the game know they can work with him. Someone like Ron Paul is demonized from day one because they know he can't be controlled. If someone like Ron Paul was elected in spite of all their machinations to the contrary, you know he'd wind up assassinated within 6 months.


Exactly. Those elections have all had poll issues as well, I even called the one that happened in the last election (supposedly a minor poll problem, didn't hear about it much) with Obama's reelection.
People either don't want to believe the truth, or they are just too thick to realize the truth. Either way, it's pretty bad.


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06 Jun 2013, 9:34 am

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What is in this picture is not exactly the real world. I was in D.C. recently and it did not look that bad.

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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Have you always been this dense? Or is it your old age?


Not dense. I am an Aspie, genetically literal minded and damned proud of it! England will Prevail.

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06 Jun 2013, 8:06 pm

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What is in this picture is not exactly the real world. I was in D.C. recently and it did not look that bad.

ruveyn


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Have you always been this dense? Or is it your old age?


Not dense. I am an Aspie, genetically literal minded and damned proud of it! England will Prevail.

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If you where literal minded you would have taken the future of the U.S as the future of the U.S not the present, being an aspie is no excuse.


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07 Jun 2013, 2:12 pm

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The U.S. has nukes. It cannot be conquered.


The nukes are one of the few remaining trump cards the US still has. How long that is the case remains to be seen. Is the US confident that it can design and build world class nukes in the future if its excellence in science and engineering fades and its manufacturing base is closed and offshored?



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24 Jun 2013, 10:08 pm

Well the USA is kind of fascist now, and it only looks like it is going to get worse, so I'd say that the USA that people should look up to and be proud of is already gone. And by fascist, I mean the USA is nationalistic, ignores human rights, always has some scapegoat or another to attack, has an unnecessarily large military, no freedom of the press, religion is tied to government, corporations are tied to government, it has fraudulent elections, legalized bribery, the highest incarceration rate in the world, and a lot of the populous is proud of all of this. I think by the most widely accepted definitions of fascism, that puts the USA squarely in that category. In terms of power, no one is willing to stand up to it directly because the USA has a huge military even when one doesn't consider nukes, the dollar is currently the international currency, and we have the biggest economy in the world (and the economy being so interconnected, it would be bad for everybody if any large piece went kaputt). I don't think the corruption in government (we have a regressive tax system) is very good for the country, but we're in such a strong position that I don't know what it would take to change things. I'm not highly knowledgeable on this subject, but my understanding is that there are a lot of parallels between the USA and ancient Rome when rome went from being a republic to a dictatorship and then went into decline.



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25 Jun 2013, 12:00 am

We're not quite fascist yet, but as our politics shift more right, we will eventually hit fascism. With fascism comes death and I really hope America falls before it starts any genocides. If the social conservatives had their way, LGBTQ and several races will be among the targeted (maybe even mentally ill?). As someone who is gay AND trans, I would definitely be among the killed. That doesn't jive well with me, obviously. Luckily I live in an area that would rather secede than bow to such an ideology.

And if the US is to fall? Well, a new government, or rather governments, will take its place. It'll suck for awhile, but as history has told us, time will go on.



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25 Jun 2013, 12:24 am

Arran wrote:
The nukes are one of the few remaining trump cards the US still has. How long that is the case remains to be seen. Is the US confident that it can design and build world class nukes in the future if its excellence in science and engineering fades and its manufacturing base is closed and offshored?


Eh, we're still way ahead of the rest of the world militarily even without the nukes, especially when it comes to power projection. We've also got those wonderful subs that carry enough warheads to wipe out a continent and are actually quieter than the background ocean noise; the joke is that to find one, you have to listen for what isn't there. That's the real nuclear trump card, that we have enough firepower hidden where no one can find us that attacking us in an existential manner would be suicidal.

That's not our scariest or most effective weapon, however, that title would have to go to our culture, which can topple regimes and cause empires to crumble, using nothing more than some rock music and bad fashion. Forget the drones and bombs, we should be flooding the middle east and Africa with iphones and CocaCola; fat people busy texting don't have much time for militancy.


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26 Jun 2013, 2:05 am

I think the US will decline and the rest of the world will rise up. We are on our way to becoming a backwater, I think.



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27 Jun 2013, 12:37 pm

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Eh, we're still way ahead of the rest of the world militarily even without the nukes, especially when it comes to power projection. We've also got those wonderful subs that carry enough warheads to wipe out a continent and are actually quieter than the background ocean noise; the joke is that to find one, you have to listen for what isn't there. That's the real nuclear trump card, that we have enough firepower hidden where no one can find us that attacking us in an existential manner would be suicidal.


I can see the United States as a third world slum with the world's most powerful military before the laws of economics catch up and Washington finds that it no longer has the manufacturing capability or technical know how to remain in top place. Neither can it finance such a war machine because no economy = no tax base and the creditors will not lend another penny because there is no chance that the debt can ever be repaid.

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That's not our scariest or most effective weapon, however, that title would have to go to our culture, which can topple regimes and cause empires to crumble, using nothing more than some rock music and bad fashion. Forget the drones and bombs, we should be flooding the middle east and Africa with iphones and CocaCola; fat people busy texting don't have much time for militancy.


American video material about the wealthy society portraying the so called American dream is the most popular in foreign countries whilst that about life in poverty ridden urban slums is the least popular. If the US is reduced to third world living standards then foreigners will no longer buy into Hollywood because anything other than the truth will represent a past era that may not have even existed. The only reason why American culture has been so successful in poorer countries is because of the overall high standard of living in the US.



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27 Jun 2013, 2:53 pm

During our own great depression, Hollywood cranked out movies about the problems of the rich. Like that American Dream propaganda, very few ever lived like that.

Even if production shifts to other countries, we can export inflation. Like it or not we are still the main consumer, that customer everyone needs, and the main cause of wars and depressions is not want, but over production.

If the whole world gets in the game, there will be deflation, where people are working for nothing. If they develop a domestic market, some of our goods, computers, cell phones, will sell.

We are not in decline, we are in transition from an industrial base to science knowledge based economy.

Of the good economies, China and India both have more people living in absolute poverty, that dollar a day life, than we have people, Africa and South America, Southeast Asia, have it worse. It is not just exports, but raising the overall standard of living,

With all of our industry we did have that kind of poverty a hundred to a hundred and fifty years ago. Two hundred years ago England had 90% poverty.

The world has some long term catching up to do.



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28 Jun 2013, 9:29 pm

Honestly the way its looking Democracy will eventually become Totalitarian. The only thing keeping it in check is the constitution. They are already trying to vote on changes to one amendment: the right to bear arms. America is definitely on a slippery slope.

Although I do not own any guns and probably never will I still think that changing the amendment sets a very dangerous precedent. America continually blames guns for the killing of innocents. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Although I do agree that automatic assault weapons have no place in a society.

It is like I always say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." American government wants to protect our society it is just that their methods are unsound. Basically the idea that things are for our own good is a flawed idea. Keeping information away from society and employing cover-ups only keeps us in the dark and does not allow for complete trust in your government. How can you trust the government when you know they are keeping secrets? Although this is just my opinion. Honestly I think in some ways they have to precariously balance our best interests with keeping society from outright revolt. It is a very difficult task.

I think that the internet is something the government will eventually regulate completely and the only way they can do that is if they completely change the amendment for freedom of speech. And that would be a major mistake and a step towards police state rule and also a step towards totalitarianism. The already do monitor certain aspects of the world wide web and have employed certain watch dog groups looking for illegal activity.



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29 Jun 2013, 8:15 am

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I think the US will decline and the rest of the world will rise up. We are on our way to becoming a backwater, I think.


Either that, or a face in the crowd.

The pre-eminence of American has surely taken a hit. However, it it not necessary to be numero uno to live long and prosper. Look at the Swiss. Five hundred years of brotherhood and democracy and what have they invented? The chocolate bar.

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29 Jun 2013, 12:20 pm

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We are not in decline, we are in transition from an industrial base to science knowledge based economy.


Agreed, the USA may not be able to complete with the Far East on mass production but it's still a world leader in technology and entertainment.



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29 Jun 2013, 1:37 pm

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I think that the internet is something the government will eventually regulate completely and the only way they can do that is if they completely change the amendment for freedom of speech. And that would be a major mistake and a step towards police state rule and also a step towards totalitarianism. The already do monitor certain aspects of the world wide web and have employed certain watch dog groups looking for illegal activity.


Americans are complainers and blabbermouths. Any attempt to repeal the First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and publication will lead either to civil war or mass disobedience. Look what happened in the Soviet Union. A massive heavy handed police state could not stop the secret underground samizat press from operating.

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30 Jun 2013, 2:09 am

In my own opinion, USA is still a superpower whereas China is a future superpower, but I suppose that China can only catch up with USA countless generations later. I'm sorry for stereotyping, but I have always stereotyped Americans and Chinese as "intelligent but evil" people, meaning that they tend to use their intelligence to come up with evil schemes that compromise the greater good. These evil schemes will end up harming future generations.



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30 Jun 2013, 6:34 am

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and the main cause of wars and depressions is not want, but over production.


Could you elaborate on this one?

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We are not in decline, we are in transition from an industrial base to science knowledge based economy.


Is this meant to be some joke? The industrial economy of the west generated a whole wealth of scientific knowledge starting with steam engines and eventually leading to nuclear energy, semiconductors, advanced materials, and aerospace to name a few. What exactly is this science knowledge based economy that you speak of? The US could end up as a home to a tiny number of geniuses in pure sciences but the rest of the workforce will end up in unskilled service sector jobs where there is no demand for scientific knowledge.

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Agreed, the USA may not be able to complete with the Far East on mass production but it's still a world leader in technology and entertainment.


Read above about the geniuses in pure sciences. The world leader in technology is largely because of immigrants. Just look at how many articles published in American science and engineering journals are by foreigners residing in the US. Entertainment is culturally specific and other countries will end up developing their own entertainment industries in due course which will lessen the demand for American products.