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Awesomelyglorious wrote:
aghogday, I'm sure you think that your seeing everything as one is deeply meaningful. It isn't though. The problem and the fact that you and we all have to come up with is that we all have broken minds. The whole of reality is broken. No, even worse, it is not something where the terms "broken" and "whole" could ever be applied to. It's a dismal voiceless cry in a vast sea of nothingness. A reality where all of our intuitions of telos and purpose will never truly capture or address on their own terms. So we have people in the billions cry out for things to make sense to them, meaninglessly bleating like lost sheep, seeking answers that could never exist, driven by impulses that were mindlessly given to them by processes that never cared whether the lived, died, found happiness, or fell in misery.
And so what? You claim you have an answer. You've missed the fundamental reality that there is no answer. People seek and cling to notions of good and evil, and they do so because it was the adaptation to handle interpersonal conflicts, but the problem is it was an imperfect adaptation. Your enemies? They are programmed to seek after "good" just like you are, and are not constitutionally different, even in their will. You say that all of the suffering is meaningful? Then I'd say you haven't suffered enough to recognize that the scars you get from suffering will never be answered. That in many cases they cannot be answered, even if you received revenge/justice you'd still want worse to occur, even if you wanted reconciliation there would still be an empty hole or areas where even reconciliation cannot repair the issue, and even if you understood the process the sense of violation of it all would still not fade.
So, sure, talk about how you have "spirals", you petty prophet. You can have as many spirals, squares, circles, and pentagons as you may like because the reality, the underlying workings of the world, are not found in sweet spirituality. The cult leader Jesus died in absurdity as did all of the other thousands if not millions of cult leaders in history.
... The history of mankind is written in mindless processes, pointless wars, senseless madnesses, and so many purposeless things and abominations flowing from their own historical necessity ( instead of moral failing ) that to proclaim to have seen the underlying mental order in these might as well be the same as seeing the mental order of dice throws, coin flips, lottery #s and all of the rest. We live in a world that simply doesn't give a f***, and the truth of that permeates the air like the smell of bread in a bakery. Either cop to it, or let yourself be deceived by the fundamentally poor structure of the human brain. However, once you understand this truth, you will finally be able to make sense of how reality *actually* works. It's like enlightenment, providing as much understanding as their ever could be, perhaps even being a spiritual experience in as much as spirituality can ever be talked about, instead of being touched by the divine, you are touched by a horror of the void, a tumor at the heart of our common understanding of existence.
So, what's your read of that aghogday? Am I still speaking in squares? Have I moved onto trapezoids?
... I'm thinking of the emotional pain of losing people primarily.... 35 hours of sleep in 40 days sound like it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like anything worth keeping any level of regret for, or questions, or doubts on whether you did the right thing or anything else.
And so what? You claim you have an answer. You've missed the fundamental reality that there is no answer. People seek and cling to notions of good and evil, and they do so because it was the adaptation to handle interpersonal conflicts, but the problem is it was an imperfect adaptation. Your enemies? They are programmed to seek after "good" just like you are, and are not constitutionally different, even in their will. You say that all of the suffering is meaningful? Then I'd say you haven't suffered enough to recognize that the scars you get from suffering will never be answered. That in many cases they cannot be answered, even if you received revenge/justice you'd still want worse to occur, even if you wanted reconciliation there would still be an empty hole or areas where even reconciliation cannot repair the issue, and even if you understood the process the sense of violation of it all would still not fade.
So, sure, talk about how you have "spirals", you petty prophet. You can have as many spirals, squares, circles, and pentagons as you may like because the reality, the underlying workings of the world, are not found in sweet spirituality. The cult leader Jesus died in absurdity as did all of the other thousands if not millions of cult leaders in history.
... The history of mankind is written in mindless processes, pointless wars, senseless madnesses, and so many purposeless things and abominations flowing from their own historical necessity ( instead of moral failing ) that to proclaim to have seen the underlying mental order in these might as well be the same as seeing the mental order of dice throws, coin flips, lottery #s and all of the rest. We live in a world that simply doesn't give a f***, and the truth of that permeates the air like the smell of bread in a bakery. Either cop to it, or let yourself be deceived by the fundamentally poor structure of the human brain. However, once you understand this truth, you will finally be able to make sense of how reality *actually* works. It's like enlightenment, providing as much understanding as their ever could be, perhaps even being a spiritual experience in as much as spirituality can ever be talked about, instead of being touched by the divine, you are touched by a horror of the void, a tumor at the heart of our common understanding of existence.
So, what's your read of that aghogday? Am I still speaking in squares? Have I moved onto trapezoids?
... I'm thinking of the emotional pain of losing people primarily.... 35 hours of sleep in 40 days sound like it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like anything worth keeping any level of regret for, or questions, or doubts on whether you did the right thing or anything else.
aghogday wrote:
Quite honestly I've rarely experienced that and do understand it is much worse than any physical pain because it is the total loss of another. My issue was spiritual not emotional as I had absolutely no emotions.
Awesome post(s).
It reminds me of when ( in late 2005 ) the secret to life, the universe and everything seemed to me to be encapsulated in accepting, even in a weird way "celebrating", ( and not automatically denying such "thoughts" as negative, depressed, etc as I usually did ) the truth of the phrase "Life is s**t" ( when the human species looked to me like a mould or a virus, an infection, a disease on the face of the planet etc ), or its cinematic equivalent from "The Princess Bride"; "Life *is* pain. Anyone who tells you different is selling something".
The weird thing is that I still do find that entirely subjective but simultaneously absolute "truth", *very* very comforting on occasions, a huge relief. Sometimes believing that "life is s**t" is the most effective method for cheering myself up! :lol
Other times it is engaging in "belief in god/God" and reminding myself that there is no such thing as free will.
Re. Extreme pain leading to extraordinary mental states: I have experienced that, the body determining profoundly ( perhaps unavoidably ) what one's experience of "life, the universe and everything" is.
I think that the most valid perspective on life is the one which most closely matches what you really believe and/or are experiencing, at any given moment; the view which *does not deny* your subjective experience. That is why it changes, and still feels true. There is no objective truth about life.
A couple of years ago I was v excited about this, and believed fervently ( still do pretty much, just not as *fervently* :lol ) that the character/archetype Jesus represented "subjective truth", ( the ONLY connection between us and "god/God"/the universe in its unimaginable immensity, it is *all* we can ever know or see of the universe, our own subjective experience of it ) , and that it was that which made Christianity so special.
It's actually quite difficult accessing it, ( it moves around a lot, tends to keep out of the limelight, stay in obscure places, is not what you expect at all, etc ), and also staying with/close to it, especially as one apparently eternal truth about life may/will almost certainly die, ( perhaps many times, depending on many things, not least the state of one's body, but also on what happens to friends, family, etc ) and does not look the same afterwards, needs to be carefully looked out for/discovered *again* ... and again. ... I'm having trouble finding mine right now.
Edit. PS. Still having to do Captcha Tests for every preview, post and edit!! !
Grr. 
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21 Jul 2013, 5:01 am
21 Jul 2013, 10:20 am
aghogday wrote:
What I am doing is cryptic but it is all based on research that most people would never have the opportunity to pursue.
What methodology you used and falsifiable theory you tested?
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If one starts seeing word salad then there could be a difficulty. 'Trust me' it's not word salad it's a puzzle, with all the pieces in clear view to see.
Again, I sincerely appreciate your concern.
Revelation is just a metaphor; it is not to be taken in the biblical context. It is my spiritual path to share but of course it is only fully meaningful to me.
Again, I sincerely appreciate your concern.
Revelation is just a metaphor; it is not to be taken in the biblical context. It is my spiritual path to share but of course it is only fully meaningful to me.
You contradicted yourself. If what you uttered is only meaningful to you, how can it be anything but nonsense gibberish for everyone else?
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That is very kind of you to be concerned with my well being. I can see how you might think I have a chemical or organic imbalance. But actually I have a spiritual awakening.
One could even call it an epiphany.
One could even call it an epiphany.
Nope. A true revelation looks likes this
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