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your heart bleeds, like that of the Lord Jesus Christ. But who pays?

Just to clarify a few things that I may not be understanding correctly:
Which positions and motivations do you think are being distorted?
Are you defending the Tea Party, or are you just defending their right to express their opinions, no matter what they are?
Are you opposed to everything in the ACA, or just parts of it?
Which politicians in the Tea Party do you feel represents their attitude best?

I understand that personal attacks on any group can be offensive to some people (myself included), but I do tend to tolerate it until it becomes an extremist attitude that could cause serious violence (i.e. all inclusive anti-Muslim hate speech, anti-Christian/atheist hate speech, anti-(insert a random country's citizens here) hate speech, anti-(insert random race here) hate speech, etc.
I am very much opposed to the majority of the ideas of the Tea Party, mostly due to the fact that their most outspoken leaders are Christian extremists who believe that anyone who has less money than them doesn't work hard enough and believe that any assistance to those less fortunate will destroy America and d*mn proud of it. Although to be fair, extremist views are the reasons that I generally don't like hard line Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans (and I do consider them a different party than the Tea Party) as well.

Not quite sir. If they could drop the individual mandate, but still keep everything else in, including subsidies , I would be ok with that. The individual mandate, that says you must buy health insurance, to me, that is the anathema of freedom of choice that at one point or another in each party.

What if I said "All liberals want to kill blacks and do not care for hardworking Americans, and they f*ck them on a regular basis by debasing the currency. They are tiny pieces of s**t, and don't deserve the air that they breath."? That would be wrong. There are actually some liberals I like (Sen. Wyden, Sen. Udell, and Congressmen Kucinich), so that does not mean all liberals are bad. but there are bad people on both sides, as well as good people. Let's all get over the partisanship. Do you want us to default on the debt? We are already at 100% debt to gdp, and I believe that our interest alone makes up 300 billion. That is money we could use to help people. I am not a liberal or conservative, I just believe that regardless of our differences we can find a third way.

Unfortunately, the majority of the TP folks in office ran on completely eliminating the ACA (as did some of the more moderate Repubs) and some even ran on the promise of shutting down the government if it doesn't happen (which I guess counts as keeping campaign promises). I do think the individual madate is needed to keep the ACA from costing the government way more than it can handle, even if I don't agree with it completely. I suppose the thinking is that everyone is going to need health care at some point, so tapping the youth to help pay for it will even out in the long term (the way Social Security was originally designed to work before throwing in a bunch of crap beyond just being a retirement plan).

It's a plan that's so good, Obama's best buddies don't have to do it. The exemptions list now tops 1500, and includes many unions and businesses known as Dem supporters. Also, the entire states of Nevada and New Hampshire, and two dozen posh establishments in Nancy Pelosi's district. Can you say "corruption"? I knew you could.

When the President said "if you like your current plan, you can keep it" I guess he was talking to his supporters. The rest of us can bend over, because here it comes.

could you provide a link? I am having trouble looking up this info, unless you mean the Pittenger and Huckabee talk radio segment where they both made things up as they went along.



You can keep your current plan if it is still available. No one is required to go with a specific plan in any way, shape, or form.

I never expected to see you defending the Tea Party and the Koch brothers. You're very concerned about Bill and Blabby's "dehumanizing" commentary but apparently Tea Party politics dehumanizing nature is okay. Gotcha. You realize claiming they act with "moral high ground" is hypocritical when you are clearly attempting to operate from such a stance by condemning them for their justified distaste of the Tea Party, right?

If you think two particular choices the Koch bros make that I might agree with will change my mind on the vast amount of unethical activities they are engaged in, you are mistaken. Single issue politics may be normal to you but I am not going to abandon my principles because I agree with one minor detail. I'm not a Tea Party supporter.

I don't like government bureaucracy too well in general, regardless of who it is from, and thus I don't like the bill in general. But to me, if the individual mandate and maybe the device tax could be dropped, I would be ok with that. We could argue the overall merits, but I would be fine as long as they would not force me to buy something. To me, it seems like a corporatist overture in order to get the liability patients paid for. But I understand the logic.

Jon Stewart had a great analogy for the Republicans shutting down the government. The Detroit Lions ( I cannot remember the actual names of the teams, but it does not matter) lose to Steelers by 21 points. The Lions then threaten to shut down the NFL if they are not given 22 points!

there is no such thing as a civilized society that denies universal access to health care

America has always had universal access to health care. No ER may turn away someone in need of urgent, life-saving care.

We have no easy way to pay for everyone to have health care without making someone else foot the bill.

A marginal transfer of military budget would do it quite easily and you'd still outspend every other military on Earth. We've had it in Canada for decades and the country hasn't slipped into the Arctic ocean or had volcanoes and Godzilla appear to punish us for taking care of our own

The ER doesnt do cancer treatment or any other advanced treatment. They treat symptoms while you die. It's also not free. It's some of the most expensive care available and works it's way back to the insurance premiums of people with insurance.

There's a faction of evil in this country who are only deeply satisfied when others are terrified and worrying themselves to death.