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08 Sep 2015, 4:21 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Hehe. I chuckled when I read that. Thanks though :)
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I know, it's a corny NT type line, but we do care....except for maybe a few members, but hey, it's the internet you can't please everyone unless you're porn.



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08 Sep 2015, 6:56 pm

I may be the pariah here for saying this, but.....

I really hope that Josh Duggar one day chooses to enter the halls of SAA.

No, I am not condoning his behaviors or minimizing their damage.



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08 Sep 2015, 9:09 pm

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I may be the pariah here for saying this, but.....

I really hope that Josh Duggar one day chooses to enter the halls of SAA.

No, I am not condoning his behaviors or minimizing their damage.


SAA... Wut Dat?


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08 Sep 2015, 9:15 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
KagamineLen wrote:
I may be the pariah here for saying this, but.....

I really hope that Josh Duggar one day chooses to enter the halls of SAA.

No, I am not condoning his behaviors or minimizing their damage.


SAA... Wut Dat?


Sex Addicts Anonymous. It is a real program, and it really works for people who want to put the work into is.



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08 Sep 2015, 9:20 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
KagamineLen wrote:
I may be the pariah here for saying this, but.....

I really hope that Josh Duggar one day chooses to enter the halls of SAA.

No, I am not condoning his behaviors or minimizing their damage.


SAA... Wut Dat?


Sex Addicts Anonymous. It is a real program, and it really works for people who want to put the work into is.


Okay, thank you.
As for Duggar attending SAA - - if that is indeed his problem. I don't believe everyone who cheats on their spouse, and has had a history of sexually victimizing others is necessarily a sex addict. He might just be a horrible person.


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08 Sep 2015, 9:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Okay, thank you.
As for Duggar attending SAA - - if that is indeed his problem. I don't believe everyone who cheats on their spouse, and has had a history of sexually victimizing others is necessarily a sex addict. He might just be a horrible person.


Well, he's had two strikes in like the last six months, I think in the court of public opinion most people agree with you that he's just kind of a horrible person. Also, as Ana pointed out earlier or in another thread he also robo calls people, so that's strike three.



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08 Sep 2015, 9:47 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Okay, thank you.
As for Duggar attending SAA - - if that is indeed his problem. I don't believe everyone who cheats on their spouse, and has had a history of sexually victimizing others is necessarily a sex addict. He might just be a horrible person.


Well, he's had two strikes in like the last six months, I think in the court of public opinion most people agree with you that he's just kind of a horrible person. Also, as Ana pointed out earlier or in another thread he also robo calls people, so that's strike three.


It is not up for me to decide whether or not Josh Duggar is a sex addict. I guess it is just that I have been around 12-step Recovery for a while, and I also have learned that it is not up to me to judge whether or not he is a truly sociopathic horrible person either. I keep the company of people who have done horrible things, but they take full responsibility for them, and now they have proven that they have a lot to contribute to society. My faith in the power of recovery is unwavering, but if a person wants to keep on doing horrible things, then f**k him.



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08 Sep 2015, 11:21 pm

Pulling the moral veil over this achieves nothing other then make the person doing the judging feel good...useless. However, the guys has a turbulent and troubled past and kids in his care and those issues need addressing to ensure those kids are safe. But what a person does between the sheets is no business of mine.

On the public level, the fact that he was a public figure harassing other folks sexual propensities whilst he was breaking his own prescriptions is more an issue of social governance, a political matter and says something about societies that claim the religious high ground whilst persistently breaking them....irrational.



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08 Sep 2015, 11:28 pm

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Pulling the moral veil over this achieves nothing other then make the person doing the judging feel good...useless. However, the guys has a turbulent and troubled past and kids in his care and those issues need addressing to ensure those kids are safe. But what a person does between the sheets is no business of mine.

On the public level, the fact that he was a public figure harassing other folks sexual propensities whilst he was breaking his own prescriptions is more an issue of social governance, a political matter and says something about societies that claim the religious high ground whilst persistently breaking them....irrational.


It is totally irrational for somebody's self-hatred to be projected upon other people.

It is also totally human.



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08 Sep 2015, 11:33 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
trayder wrote:
Pulling the moral veil over this achieves nothing other then make the person doing the judging feel good...useless. However, the guys has a turbulent and troubled past and kids in his care and those issues need addressing to ensure those kids are safe. But what a person does between the sheets is no business of mine.

On the public level, the fact that he was a public figure harassing other folks sexual propensities whilst he was breaking his own prescriptions is more an issue of social governance, a political matter and says something about societies that claim the religious high ground whilst persistently breaking them....irrational.


It is totally irrational for somebody's self-hatred to be projected upon other people.

It is also totally human.


I kinda agree and disagree. Its human socio culturally. For example, bring the human monkey up to eat his neighbours, and eat them he will. Alternately, bring the human monkey up to live in harmony with his neighbours and he will live in harmony (unless he has some underlying bio chemical problem in the brain).



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08 Sep 2015, 11:50 pm

Point taken, traydor.

He had a family image that he was struggling to live up to. What I find oddly impressive is that his family still appears to be supporting him after all that has happened. A part of me wants to believe that there is genuine love in his blood relations. They probably want to save him from himself. And looking at his patterns, I cannot blame them for feeling that way.



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11 Sep 2015, 10:23 am

One thing that boggles the mind about this entire situation is here you have a family who has struggled and triumphed, in their own way, then they secured the TLC broadcasting contract and were consistently the top rated show on the network. They had advertisers and the network in the palm of their hands. They were in a position to negotiate pricing for their interviews and public appearances. Basically, they had it made, after a period of difficulty and struggling. Josh and his brothers and sisters finally had the money they needed and was in shorter supply when Jim Bob and Michelle were a young couple attempting to raise a family with numerous children.
So, you would think, Josh would be determined to make the most of it, especially, since he married Anna and had four kids of his own. Even after the molestations scandal surfaced, you would think the Duggar clan would do all they could to control the damage and spare their reputation for the sake of all their kids and the money required to raise them. Maybe they decided to not have anymore due to Michelle's age and health and they budgeted each child so they know exactly what they need to raise the rest of them and they have it in trusts because it seems like they sabotage their TLC success at every turn. You would think, Josh Duggar would be petrified when someone unlocked his skeleton and he would be doing everything to redeem himself for the sake of his kids. Maybe, they are budgeted, too? Instead, he is doing the opposite. He is stabbing them every opportunity he can. A recent story surfaced that he has no remorse about cheating on Anna which can only tarnish the family's reputation even more. It mystifies me why someone who has been through so much, in terms of large family and little money, at times, would be so determined to be the source of it's downfall.


Maybe his family forced him to go to this religious reformers program and he was angry Anna chose their side by appearing with them at cousin Amy's wedding? Maybe he is P. Oed at them all and this is how he gets even. One day he might decide to produce his own pornos. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. First he has to escape this latest round of brainwashing and mind control.

Josh Duggar behaves like someone who was raised by a single parent in the worst neighborhood without any religious upbringing whatsoever, according to the media stereotype, but what he really is is a victim of the worse kind of mind control. He has been deprived of developing a mind of his own. He has consistently been told what to think and what he must think originates in the Bible.

So yes this situation is very interesting from a sociological point of view. It's a fascinating study in what makes us what we are. What causes us to behave the way we do because people tend to look for formulas and raise their kids based on them thinking if they just follow so and so formula, they are guaranteed "good, moral" children who will become righteous adults.