[POLL] Cult of the Virgin Mary.
Is it your special interest or something?
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The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.
It doesn't matter. I just don't get it why you put so much energy into this particular activity.
By the way - what was so special about this carpenter's son, Joshua of Nazareth? Why so much mythology grew around him, finally gaining position of sacred texts?
What's so special about this tiny nation of Middle East that their rather peculiar beliefs became so contagious and, after evolving into several branches, still linger?
Just teasing. Or sharing my systematic skepticism - if you need to share your Protestant criticism to anything that appeared after the written Bible standard was set, I think it's okay.
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No Different than Greek and Roman God's;
So-Called Biblical History is Rife With Mythology.
Mythology plays as Metaphor for the Parts of Life
That are Emotional That do not Easily Reveal
Truths in Light through 'Reason'; so Yes, Story/
Mythology, Proves as Historical Important Parts
of understanding the Deeper parts of our Emotional Existences.
There is Very Little Objective Reality associated with Biblical History;
But Never the less, Archetypal Lessons in 'Human Memes' to relate and
increase Human Potential are provided;
Unless it's taken
'Literally' as 'the Gospel Truth';
That's a Big Problem that has and does still lead to to widespread ignorance in Death and Destruction;
That's when aspects of Cult-Like Behavior within the Framework of the Myths/Story become a reality, too.
The Meme of Mary sets a standard for Behavior within the Framework of Binds and Bonds of Religion; Religion does this.
If 'the Meme' of Mary is Cult, so is all of established Religion. It doesn't bother me at all, as i hold no Great 'Veneration' for any actual Physical Character of any 'Story'/Myth. I learn from them; but i realize not unlike 'Superman or Micky Mouse' they are NOT REAL; Jesus and Mary is a Story/Myth written by Innumerable Authors/Scribes even in the More Modern Versions of the Christian Religions and all the 'Sects'; or what some folks may Tribally and Pejoratively Identify as
'Cults' if they don't happen to be in that specific Sect.
This is Obviously all Tribal Behavior; on a Personal Level as a Participant Anthropology Observer
i find it fascinating.
Please do Carry on...![]()
And to Be Clear, i realize there indeed may have been an actual Physical Person crucified around 2k Years ago
Named Yeshua or Whatever; But The Words We Have are all Written by Other Individuals; again, Story and Myth;
Same With the so-called Virgin Mary; but we have no idea if she existed or not; Science Shows there was NO
Virgin Human Birth; Sharks do that; but not Humans;
And sure it is all a 'Pretty Cool Story Bro' too.
Biblical History Shows 'Yeshua' was an Illiterate
Aramaic Person from his day; Brown and about 5 Feet Tall and Barely Over 100 'American Pounds';
Given the Study of Paleontology from 'those days' too; the rest of it is someone else's story/myth, too.
So In other Words in most Every Case in Actual Reality it is the Story Teller's Words who Are Venerated now;
Really, No Different than Leonardo DaVinci, Who Wore a Beard and Long Hair when Culture Frowned
upon it; and Painted 'Jesus' in the Likeness of His Style of 'Masculine' Behavior in 'His day' for the "Last Supper".
Now, in effect, Many Christians Worship the Physical Image of Leonardo DaVinci in Form; that's one way to
stay alive' after Death; Leonardo was surely a 'Trickster' too; And Mostly Definitely Remains as 'A Cool Story Bro'.
Personally, i'm more interested in Doing Reality; but this is a Fascinating Study; Reality is Much more Fun than 'Fiction'
to me. Apparently, Many Folks have not Found a Way to Do Life real that way; Religion continues to take Center stage for many People in structured Historically Organized ways; no surprise to me, for sure; where i Live, at least but not for
what i actually Do; it's fun to visit; but i surely keep plenty of distance from it; Love and the Human Connection remains
as real; i ignore the rest of 'the other stuff'... easily....
And as Far As TM (Trademark God) i am 100 Percent Sure that all of Nature/Reality is one Force of Energy Common to All that is 'God';
Science Agrees too; Call it a 'Blue Turtle' or 'Whatever' as Nomenclature is Form; Essence is Real Eternally Now as Science Shows that all that is; i didn't have to have Science to Prove this to me; only seeing with no Words at all; only 'Seeing' All of Nature within as God from before i could speak at age 4..... built in eternally now.
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So-Called Biblical History is Rife With Mythology.
Mythology plays as Metaphor for the Parts of Life
That are Emotional That do not Easily Reveal
Truths in Light through 'Reason'; so Yes, Story/
Mythology, Proves as Historical Important Parts
of understanding the Deeper parts of our Emotional Existences.
There is Very Little Objective Reality associated with Biblical History;
But Never the less, Archetypal Lessons in 'Human Memes' to relate and
increase Human Potential are provided;
Unless it's taken
'Literally' as 'the Gospel Truth';
That's a Big Problem that has and does still lead to to widespread ignorance in Death and Destruction;
That's when aspects of Cult-Like Behavior within the Framework of the Myths/Story become a reality, too.
The Meme of Mary sets a standard for Behavior within the Framework of Binds and Bonds of Religion; Religion does this.
If 'the Meme' of Mary is Cult, so is all of established Religion. It doesn't bother me at all, as i hold no Great 'Veneration' for any actual Physical Character of any 'Story'/Myth. I learn from them; but i realize not unlike 'Superman or Micky Mouse' they are NOT REAL; Jesus and Mary is a Story/Myth written by Innumerable Authors/Scribes even in the More Modern Versions of the Christian Religions and all the 'Sects'; or what some folks may Tribally and Pejoratively Identify as
'Cults' if they don't happen to be in that specific Sect.
This is Obviously all Tribal Behavior; on a Personal Level as a Participant Anthropology Observer
i find it fascinating.
Please do Carry on...
And to Be Clear, i realize there indeed may have been an actual Physical Person crucified around 2k Years ago
Named Yeshua or Whatever; But The Words We Have are all Written by Other Individuals; again, Story and Myth;
Same With the so-called Virgin Mary; but we have no idea if she existed or not; Science Shows there was NO
Virgin Human Birth; Sharks do that; but not Humans;
And sure it is all a 'Pretty Cool Story Bro' too.
Biblical History Shows 'Yeshua' was an Illiterate
Aramaic Person from his day; Brown and about 5 Feet Tall and Barely Over 100 'American Pounds';
Given the Study of Paleontology from 'those days' too; the rest of it is someone else's story/myth, too.
So In other Words in most Every Case in Actual Reality it is the Story Teller's Words who Are Venerated now;
Really, No Different than Leonardo DaVinci, Who Wore a Beard and Long Hair when Culture Frowned
upon it; and Painted 'Jesus' in the Likeness of His Style of 'Masculine' Behavior in 'His day' for the "Last Supper".
Now, in effect, Many Christians Worship the Physical Image of Leonardo DaVinci in Form; that's one way to
stay alive' after Death; Leonardo was surely a 'Trickster' too; And Mostly Definitely Remains as 'A Cool Story Bro'.
Personally, i'm more interested in Doing Reality; but this is a Fascinating Study; Reality is Much more Fun than 'Fiction'
to me. Apparently, Not Many Folks have not Found a Way to Do Life real that way; Religion continues to take Center stage for many People in structured Historically Organized ways; no surprise to me, for sure; where i Live, at least but not for
what i actually Do; it's fun to visit; but i surely keep plenty of distance from it; Love and the Human Connection remains
as real; i ignore the rest of 'the other stuff'... easily....
And as Far As TM (Trademark God) i am 100 Percent Sure that all of Nature/Reality is one Force of Energy Common to All that is 'God';
Science Agrees too; Call it a 'Blue Turtle' or 'Whatever' as Nomenclature is Form; Essence is Real Eternally Now as Science Shows that all that is; i didn't have to have Science to Prove this to me; only seeing with no Words at all; only 'Seeing' All of Nature within as God from before i could speak at age 4..... built in eternally now.
That's close to how I view these things now. Religions are valid expressions of experiences and values of societes.
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^^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-MXMO9euGU
Younger Generations are Falling Away from 'Organized Religion' as the 'New God' Google;
the 'New Bible' Google Provides answers in most Countries at least that are no longer Censored.
And on top of that there are just too many fun things to do than Sitting Still Having Quiet Hands
And Feet in the Precious span of an Hour Each Sunday; if i did not enjoy the Emotional Experience
of Singing Uplifting Songs in Church, where i just exchange the Metaphor of Jesus for Love or He
or God or Whatever Else; even Mary and Saint Francis too; i likely would not go; but i enjoy
the experience as uplifting and have a very nice Joyful rest of the Sunday; i filter out the
Dark Parts and understand how they arrived; and take 'The Wheat With me' and Leave
'the Chaff Behind'; A 'God Of Love' is Nice; But a 'God of Reason' too; Understands Love Better and Thrives..![]()
'The Church' still Runs this Country At Core in Binds and Bonds of Politics at the Pulpit.
That's Changing; The Younger Generations are the Change; It is Heir apparent in the common
Sense of Expanding Health Coverage and College Education to all People; Ignorance will come to
Fail more this way; the Greatest Investment is Human Capital; Hehe; perhaps i'll write a speech 'in plain
English' for Bernie; Perhaps a Speech for Freedom and Love Without So Many Clouds of Ignorance that Breed Lies..![]()
The Song Above is titled 'Here i am'; I believe most Humans have the Potential to be Lords of Love to give and share free;
And to learn more about this existence now; and how to make Life Good. And Yes; that's me singing; there are still many
things; innumerable things and experiences that Life has to teach me; When we No longer Evolve, We Stagnant and die as Life; i feel the Same Way about 'God'; the Force the Energy of All; Art instead of just a machine set in stone/concrete cold.
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Quoted post from another thread in PPR:
"You're the blasphemer, not I.
Blessed be the Great Mother of God, Mary Most Holy!"
He said that in response to someone else calling HIM a blasphemer.
This very thread was created by a Protestant to bash Catholicism. So is this thread itself an example of "proselytizing"?
Um I didnt think there was bashing going on. If there was it quickly swerved anyway. It became quite a lively at times dull discussion without imposing. Just interesting.
Then again I didn't know of the context of another thread you mention.
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"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -- Jesus, the Christ (The Gospel of John 14:6)
There is no other way to the Father except through the Son -- not through Mary, nor the other Mary, nor the other-other Mary, nor through Simon/Peter, nor Saul/Paul, nor through any other dead "saint".
Jesus alone.
Sola Christo. Amen.
"Only Son of God";
i've heard it put
as King of the
Universe too;
Oh My God;
That's a Whole
Lot of Responsibility
to Put on a Little Brown
Syrian Looking Dude About
106 Pounds; and Five Foot One, According to Paleontology;
Illiterate With Really Short Hair; as Leonardo DaVinci Painted
Another 'Jesus' in 'the Last Supper' then Reflecting Himself During A Period
of History Where Beards And Long Hair were against the 'Group Think'; As Leonardo Rebelled With His
Long Hair And a Beard; What Better Way to Be Worshipped Forevermore now than to make Your Image into A God;
Logic Fail Anyway;
If We Are All Daughters And or Sons of God;
And if God Really Is Beyond All Names other than Taking
A Name Like God in Vain for i AM Alpha Thru Omega that simply Means ALL;
Obviously, there is no only Son; And on Top of that The Original Greek Definition of "Son"
Means "Nature of"; So to say 'Son of God' Means 'Nature of God' as of course We all Are As Part of All;
Otherwise known as Alpha Thru Omega; All of God As All That Is; Where there is no Separation at ALL;
In Other Words As Quantum Mechanics
Relates All Is Center Point Existence Now;
No Time, No Space, No Distance; Really Not
Even Any Matter at all as of course this may be
All A Holographic Simulation With A 'Pimply Face Programmer
Kid' Just Another Cosmic Young or Old And Or Ageless 'Bill Gates';
Or A
Cooler
Version;
More Edgy,
Steve Jobs;
in case anyone
Wonders who is programming
Avatars Reflecting A Simulator As was/is.
In Other Words, Worshipping Mary;
Even the Word Mary that is all part of ALL;
Is Worshipping God; There is No Escape from
All; or Maybe Center Point Existence Beyond all Measure of Infinity too.
Same Difference: None
Anyway; Toxic Patriarchy S88KS; All 'These Dudes' telling some little Brown
Dude with Shortly Cropped Hair; He has to take on all this Responsibility while
Being Illiterate; and Never even writing a Word in His Own Defense for what Folks are
Still telling Him That he MUST Be and DO; NO Doubt like all other stories; a story will change again...
To Be Clear; i am just addressing the Fallacy of the Verse Provided above; On top of that Logic
Fail; if Jesus is God in three Parts; As Son And Father And Holy Spirit; Jesus according to John Gives
other Human Beings in '14:12' Greater Authority to Do Greater Works than Jesus; Guess what; this Means
That the Light Bringer 'Lucifer' will always come again to do Greater Works than this Jesus God Fellow if
'Lucifer' Cares to; Whenever He And or She Gets Around to Doing More than Jesus Again, Ad Nauseam More;
Old Coke Jesus Versus
New Coke Lucifer;
The Good Cop Version
of the Old Coke Jesus Is
Just Alright With me still;
Fearless LoVE iN Balance
Doing the Least Harm to All (God)
IS Most Definitely Still THE HuMaN Key to Heaven NoW.
Logic; it's what's
For A Last and First Breakfast;
As the Morning Star of Love continues to rise with SMiLES;
The Bible has so many inconsistencies and logical fallacies in it;
It's too bad that no one has given one another try; But Wait! There is Google Search and the Rest
of all the Written Words/Arts of Current Prophets Writing/'Arting' on Face Book Walls; Concert Halls;
etc.. etc.. etc..
Nope...
NoW
it
never
ends
and
always begins...
'Copying a Bible' Is Easy;
Unless one is a Scribe and
Makes Multiple Mistakes and
Inspiring Intentional Changes;
An Older 'Book of Eli' as such;
Writing one Now Ten to Twenty;
Maybe Even Thirty X Greater is Doing God (Creating)
"Wake-Up 'Man' And Realize Who You Are"
-Alan Watts
From 'A Video' Above or Below...
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