Trump's various attempts to challenge election results

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05 Dec 2020, 12:48 am

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I don't think anyone's denied fraud, just pointed out how vanishingly insignificant it is over a range of several elections - and that the built-in checks make it very easy to spot.


It seemed like on the other hand many were saying the claim of there being fraud involved in this election was outlandish.


The idea that any significant fraud occurred is outlandish and even Bill Barr will admit that fact.


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05 Dec 2020, 1:01 am

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The idea that any significant fraud occurred is outlandish and even Bill Barr will admit that fact.


Get it right FE! it's "at this time" :lol:



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05 Dec 2020, 1:06 am

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It seemed like on the other hand many were saying the claim of there being fraud involved in this election was outlandish.

What's outlandish is witnesses such as this, depressingly typical of the allegations raised by Trump & Co.
It's a shame this meeting wasn't carried out under oath. That might have focused minds somewhat.



It's difficult to listen to her while reading all the pop-ups. But that aside, I'm not going to dismiss what she's saying because she's part of Trump & Co. Stuff like this has to viewed impartially as possible if it's going to be viewed properly. Which hopefully the deciding powers are doing.



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05 Dec 2020, 1:10 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
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I don't think anyone's denied fraud, just pointed out how vanishingly insignificant it is over a range of several elections - and that the built-in checks make it very easy to spot.


It seemed like on the other hand many were saying the claim of there being fraud involved in this election was outlandish.


The idea that any significant fraud occurred is outlandish and even Bill Barr will admit that fact.


For a second there I got Bill Barr mixed up with the comedian Bill Burr.



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05 Dec 2020, 1:16 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
I'm not going to dismiss what she's saying because she's part of Trump & Co.
I didn't dismiss it because she's part of Trump & Co. either, and actually whether I dismiss it or not is irrelevant - that's for the courts to decide (assuming it gets that far).
But if this is, after all this time and all these failed accusations, one of their star witnesses... :?


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05 Dec 2020, 1:36 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
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I don't think anyone's denied fraud, just pointed out how vanishingly insignificant it is over a range of several elections - and that the built-in checks make it very easy to spot.


It seemed like on the other hand many were saying the claim of there being fraud involved in this election was outlandish.


The idea that any significant fraud occurred is outlandish and even Bill Barr will admit that fact.


For a second there I got Bill Barr mixed up with the comedian Bill Burr.


Burr is actually funny



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05 Dec 2020, 1:41 am

Cornflake wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
I'm not going to dismiss what she's saying because she's part of Trump & Co.
I didn't dismiss it because she's part of Trump & Co. either, and actually whether I dismiss it or not is irrelevant - that's for the courts to decide (assuming it gets that far).
But if this is, after all this time and all these failed accusations, one of their main witnesses... :?


I didn't mean you specifically, I just meant in general. Really because it's an easy thing to do. For me that started with Sean Spicer's first press conference regarding inauguration attendance. She claims she's one of the few who has the courage to be a witness because of threats and intimidation. That might be true and therefore she's the best they have to work with. I really don't know for sure.



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05 Dec 2020, 1:49 am

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I didn't mean you specifically, I just meant in general.
Yeah, s'Ok I got that. 8)


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05 Dec 2020, 7:14 am

Assume the footage is people trying to fix the election.

The count has Biden ahead by 12,000 votes or so. Those two containers moved did not contain nearly the amount of ballots to revert the results

Right now the electoral college is Biden 306 Trump 232. If somehow Georgia was fixed and Trump really won Georgia 16 electoral college votes the count would be Biden 290 Trump 248.

Back to the real world
Biden officially secures enough electors to become president

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California certified its presidential election Friday and appointed 55 electors pledged to vote for Democrat Joe Biden, officially handing him the Electoral College majority needed to win the White House.

Secretary of State Alex Padilla’s formal approval of Biden’s win in the state brought his tally of pledged electors so far to 279, according to a tally by The Associated Press. That’s just over the 270 threshold for victory.


Judges turn back claims by Trump and his allies in six states as the president’s legal effort founders

They have not earned your vote': Trump allies urge Georgia Republicans to sit out Senate runoffs
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Allies of President Donald Trump's efforts to challenge last month's election urged Republicans in Georgia on Wednesday to stay at home for the Jan. 5 Senate runoff elections, arguing Trump supporters shouldn't take part in another "rigged election."

Attorneys Lin Wood and Sidney Powell told a crowd of Trump loyalists not to vote for either of the two Georgia incumbent Republican senators, Kelly Loeffler


Democrats - I :heart: Lin Wood and Sidney Powell


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05 Dec 2020, 8:46 pm

Amazing, an election thread that hasn't been locked :lol:



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06 Dec 2020, 11:47 am

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"Later in the night, Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. despite earlier intentions to complete processing Tuesday night. Some additional numbers could still come out Tuesday night, but as of now the staff will be back at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday."

It remains to be seen how this apparent contradiction (regarding the timing) gets resolved, but my guess is that the above-quoted ABC news reporter may have gotten the "counters" (who stayed later) mixed up with the "cutters" (the ones who did leave at around 10:30 PM, according to Lead Stories).

Reporters often get mixed up on details of this sort. Whenever I've had occasion to see a news report on anything I've been involved in, there were always inaccuracies.

To me it seems prima facie unlikely that there would have been any significant amount of fraud. You evidently feel otherwise. We shall see.


Remember it's also backed by witnesses. Two observers, who can identify themselves on the CCTV, signed affidavits saying that the blonde lady (who is not Regina Weller the ABC source) announced to the room that counting was to be stopped and to be resumed at 8:30 which is why they say they went home along with the film crew. According to their affidavits, when they heard rumours that counting had continued without their observation they rushed back to that counting room early in the morning. Both events look concordant with the tapes and/or press reports.

Another thing to consider. If it's just the cutters leaving the room, why do the counters that stay behind not continue working throughout? Why do they wait until the press and observers have left and then start processing ballots?


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06 Dec 2020, 7:46 pm

This is totally not suspicious.

https://nationalfile.com/michigan-secre ... dit-calls/

The Michigan State Republican Party Friday sounded an alarm about an ethically questionable memo authorized by Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson that “is pushing for the mass deletion of election data.”

Michigan Republican Party Chairman Laura Cox in a statement Friday, said that Benson’s office issued orders to clerks in Michigan counties to “delete Electronic Poll Book software and associated files” even as calls to audit the election persist.


I thought destroying election material before 22 months were up was a federal crime. Either way why do this unless you have something to hide?


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06 Dec 2020, 7:54 pm

One of the most courageous decisions you will ever make is to let go of what is hurting you, heart and soul.

Trump lost.

Biden won.

There is nothing you can do, say, or post to change that, so let it go and move on.


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06 Dec 2020, 8:00 pm

Fnord wrote:
One of the most courageous decisions you will ever make is to let go of what is hurting you, heart and soul.

Trump lost.

Biden won.

There is nothing you can do, say, or post to change that.


Who knew Fnord's spirit animal was a cat?

Or that the average GOP voter's was a Real Housewife.
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06 Dec 2020, 8:52 pm

This expresses what I think of Trump's various attempts to challenge election results...

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:lol: A picture really IS worth a thousand words!


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06 Dec 2020, 9:30 pm

I fear the first part of my Aldous Huxley quote signature has never been more relevant than now.


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