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05 Feb 2022, 9:50 am

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Politicians often hire a person based on the group they are in. It is called “balancing the ticket” or “rewarding supporters”. Yes it is discrimination. Biden is just more open about it. Politicians make tradeoffs for a living. In this case it is payment to James Clyburn for his endorsement that was one of the key factors in Biden’s nomination.


Biden was also fulfilling an election promise


Funny how the right condemns Biden for not fulfilling his promises, but will condemn him for fulfilling them, too.



No, I don't even applaud him when he fails to fulfill his campaign promises. Some were so stupid, I never believed it in the first place or "I will not shut down the economy, I will shut down the virus!" Economy had rampant inflation and the number of cases for the virus is the highest. I wish he could have fulfilled this one but then I believed the science.



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05 Feb 2022, 1:19 pm

Some thoughts here, haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if this isn’t insightful…

First, it is fair to say that the most qualified candidate should get the job. However, we must consider what “most qualified” means.

Was Neil Gorsuch more qualified than Merrick Garland? Well, no. Garland had been an appeal circuit judge since 1997 and Chief Judge since 2013. Gorsuch, contrastingly, had only been on the appeal circuit since 2006. And Amy Coney Barrett had only been appointed as a judge in 2017. While being a circuit judge is merely the most common qualification for the Supreme Court, it is by no means necessary - see Justice Kagan, who seems to be generally regarded as a stronger justice than at least three of her eight established colleagues, or William Rehnquist, who was later Chief Justice - but all the same, Barrett stands out as inexperienced.

Now, I dunno, maybe the people crowing that the hypothetical black woman Biden is seeking to nominate is less qualified than some other candidate were also crowing about Barrett. I’m sure they all were. But is it legitimate to consider things other than judicial experience. For example, the late Justice Scalia criticised the legitimacy of the Supreme Court by pointing out that all the Justices of the time came from coastal states and attended Ivy League law schools, and none of them were Protestants (you could add that none were atheists, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, or anything other than Jewish or Catholic - three appointments later, the court has only grown more Catholic). Eight of the nine were former federal appeals judges, with none having any legislative experience. Even Scalia, note conservative, could see that there is value in diversity. When considering how best to enrich the court, it is legitimate to consider the variety of backgrounds. Otherwise we would simply see the Chief Judges of Circuit courts getting nominated every time.

I think it is fair to say that Republican presidents seeking to replace Thurgood Marshall and Ruth Bader Ginsburg with a black justice and a woman respectively, who would also reflect Republican ideals in their jurisprudence, led to them nominating two relatively unqualified candidates. I don’t think it would be fair to throw those accusations at Sandra Day O’Connor, Marshall and Ginsburg themselves, or other landmark appointments like Louis Brandeis or Sonia Sotomayor (although criticism of Sotomayor’s subsequent record is widespread, she was just as qualified as Gorsuch or Alito or Kavanaugh).

So, should Biden have promised to appoint a black woman? In my opinion, probably not. However, there is no “most qualified” candidate, and seeking to add underrepresented backgrounds to the court is a legitimate consideration when sorting through the qualified candidates. If Biden had drawn up a list of roughly equally good candidates, it would be legitimate to say “the court would benefit from having a black woman on it, I’ll pick Ketanji Brown Jackson/Leondra Kruger”. But would it benefit more from having them than it would from Jacqueline Nguyen, Sri Srinivasan, or Diane Humetewa? That’s not an easy one to answer!



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05 Feb 2022, 2:49 pm

I whole heartedly agree with ^^^^. Yes, even with Sotomayor being on the court. I think Garland has proved he is a political tool and think Gorsuch is the better choice.

So was Janice Rogers Brown a bad choice or would the court have benefited with her seated in 2003? I'll say she should have been given the opportunity. Biden actually voted against her twice.

"Democrats argued that she was out of the legal mainstream, but Republicans responded that she had written more majority opinions than any other justice on the California Supreme Court — and she was reelected with 76 percent of the vote, the highest percentage of all the justices on the ballot."



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05 Feb 2022, 3:17 pm

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I whole heartedly agree with ^^^^. Yes, even with Sotomayor being on the court. I think Garland has proved he is a political tool and think Gorsuch is the better choice.

So was Janice Rogers Brown a bad choice or would the court have benefited with her seated in 2003? I'll say she should have been given the opportunity. Biden actually voted against her twice.

"Democrats argued that she was out of the legal mainstream, but Republicans responded that she had written more majority opinions than any other justice on the California Supreme Court — and she was reelected with 76 percent of the vote, the highest percentage of all the justices on the ballot."

I had never heard of Brown before, so I looked her up.

My view, and I will admit that it is probably naive, is that judges should strive towards political neutrality. In practice, I think five of the eight current Justices (I am excluding Barrett) manage this reasonably well, even if they have leanings that can easily be identified. Thomas is weird, but arguably manages it in his own way. And then there’s Alito and Sotomayor, who at least on the controversial issues are partisans.

Brown seems much more outspokenly ideological than Sotomayor or Alito. No, she shouldn’t have been confirmed. I’m not concerned with what her views were, but her being so open and forthright about them is incompatible with public service. If you want to forward your ideals then stand for election, or work for someone who does. Public servants shouldn’t be giving passionate speeches about controversial issues.

In the US, the First Amendment compromises the neutrality of your civil service, but in the UK someone like Brown would not make it to the Supreme Court. Our judges are as apolitical as possible. They are selected solely on merit. That’s a valid approach, but it isn’t the approach the US has ever used.

(For balance, the drawbacks of the UK’s approach include that our judges tend to be old, and reflect the demographic balance of the legal profession 30 years ago rather than today)



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05 Feb 2022, 4:09 pm

txfz1 wrote:
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Politicians often hire a person based on the group they are in. It is called “balancing the ticket” or “rewarding supporters”. Yes it is discrimination. Biden is just more open about it. Politicians make tradeoffs for a living. In this case it is payment to James Clyburn for his endorsement that was one of the key factors in Biden’s nomination.


Biden was also fulfilling an election promise


Funny how the right condemns Biden for not fulfilling his promises, but will condemn him for fulfilling them, too.



No, I don't even applaud him when he fails to fulfill his campaign promises. Some were so stupid, I never believed it in the first place or "I will not shut down the economy, I will shut down the virus!" Economy had rampant inflation and the number of cases for the virus is the highest. I wish he could have fulfilled this one but then I believed the science.


As jobs are in an upswing, I'd say Biden's doing something right.
Perhaps the inflation has more to do with price gouging on the part of business.


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05 Feb 2022, 6:16 pm

We are seeing inflation all over the world for two main reasons.

1) soaring costs of fossil fuels, driving up the cost of almost everything

2) surging demand after the pandemic

Last I checked, the US was finding things tougher than most places despite having pretty secure fuel supply. My conclusion at the time was that it was probably due to Biden’s huge spending.



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05 Feb 2022, 7:31 pm

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Last edited by Cornflake on 04 Feb 2022, 10:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.: From Babylon Bee's "About": The Babylon Bee is the world’s best satire site, totally inerrant in all its truth claims. We write satire about Christian stuff, political stuff, and everyday life.

Strange that people who want to judge others over integrity can't practice what they preach :roll:


As I noted in a post earlier today (seemingly accidentally removed by an overly enthusiastic "post deletion fairy" who was removing the personal attack upon myself (which even came with a lovely red border on the left of it) - thankfully both posts were screen-shoted and transcribed prior to deletion.):

As the "site admin" made perfectly clear (emphasis added by myself):
Cornflake wrote:
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Since the linked site self-describes as humorous there is nothing to resolve.
Furthermore, we're not going to go down a bottomless rabbit-hole checking links for unlabelled satirical content and down through more sites that may be linked - which in turn may contain links to more sites ... ad infinitum.

The intention of labelling satire is to make that clear in those cases where posted content is presented in a way that it could conceivably be read as factual. Considering WP's target audience, it's simply safer to avoid doubt by stating that it is satirical and not to be taken seriously.
This doesn't mean that any and every single piece of humorous content must be labelled.


The aspect you seem to be (intentionally? (to use one of your own mechanisms)) missing is that this concerns the labelling of posted content that is presented in a way that it could conceivably be read as factual. That is, visible and immediately readable CONTENT posted to a thread, not links and especially not links where the satirical or humorous nature is already made clear on the linked site.


So, as stated, there is no issue with providing links to satirical sites (especially sites such as I linked to, where the satirical nature of the site is made clear on the site) - It is only when satirical content is posted that any announcement is required.

What I posted was a link to a satircal site (something which has been publicly ruled by the "site admin" as not requiring any "warning") - I provided no "content", and the linked site makes clear that it is a satirical site, meeting all the restrictions the "site admin" has applied regarding satirical content.

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I'm not sure what sort of person would accuse another, who posts something in good faith, following the rules as defined and having no prohibited content in the post, as having an integrity problem for having done so.


Given the statement that only satirical CONTENT needed a "warning" and that links did not, it is curious that an edit was made to the post, as that what I had posted (and how it was posted) complied with these rules, and so the edit has no reason to be there (and should be removed)... I'd hate to think it was added for any other reason than that whoever made the edit was unaware of the "site admin"'s rules on links such as was included in the post.



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05 Feb 2022, 8:03 pm

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As jobs are in an upswing, I'd say Biden's doing something right.
Perhaps the inflation has more to do with price gouging on the part of business.


C'mon Man, the January report showed 300k jobs lost. Down is the new up?



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05 Feb 2022, 8:27 pm

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Given the statement that only satirical CONTENT needed a "warning" and that links did not, it is curious that an edit was made to the post, as that what I had posted (and how it was posted) complied with these rules, and so the edit has no reason to be there (and should be removed)... I'd hate to think it was added for any other reason than that whoever made the edit was unaware of the "site admin"'s rules on links such as was included in the post.


Why the need to apply satire though? racism is a serious issue Brictoria. You and your family/friends don't experience it but plenty of PoC not only experience "real" racism but also live with PTSD and for many young people it contributes toward suicide.

It really is in bad taste to belittle racism experienced by PoC and deliberately ignore the ongoing impact on their mental health.



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05 Feb 2022, 8:50 pm

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Given the statement that only satirical CONTENT needed a "warning" and that links did not, it is curious that an edit was made to the post, as that what I had posted (and how it was posted) complied with these rules, and so the edit has no reason to be there (and should be removed)... I'd hate to think it was added for any other reason than that whoever made the edit was unaware of the "site admin"'s rules on links such as was included in the post.


Why the need to apply satire though?


Why not? There's is nothng wrong with it, and it can be used to help people understand more complex concepts\subjects through the use of humour involved.

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racism is a serious issue Brictoria. You and your family/friends don't experience it but plenty of PoC not only experience "real" racism but also live with PTSD and for many young people it contributes toward suicide.

It really is in bad taste to belittle racism experienced by PoC and deliberately ignore the ongoing impact on their mental health.


Strangely enough, I do suffer from racism - For example, I have had racists (who know nothing about me) online make assumptions about my race, and then use such assumptions to try and belittle me\what I say\as a "reason" to falsy assert that I don't suffer from racism.

This is one of several reasons I don't disclose much personal information, as such people would leap on it and use it to make further attacks, merely altering the assumed race to fit whatever information I may disclose (it has happened several times in the past) - I have no desire to have what happens off-line follow through into the online world.

Continuing to the "family and friends" not being subject to racism - Maybe you need to spend a little time on research (or reading and remembering what is posted in threads you participate in):

Brictoria wrote:
As an example (I'm only mentioning this portion of family geneology to illustrate the above - don't expect it to lead to further disclosures absent very particular circumstances...): Does the fact that my wife is a descendant of a West Indies slave[1] mean anything

[...]

[1] according to her family the slave was a "princess", however I don't know if it's possible to determine the truth of that (it seems improbable, though not impossible), or whether it was simply colouring added at some point to "improve" that branch of the family tree

Source: https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=398322&p=8818921#p8818921
(you posted the second post following the above, around 6 hours after it was posted)

So, please cease making racist assumptions about other people who you do not know, and whose personal circumstances you have no idea about.



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05 Feb 2022, 9:18 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Strangely enough, I do suffer from racism - For example, I have had racists (who know nothing about me) online make assumptions about my race, and then use such assumptions to try and belittle me\what I say\as a "reason" to falsy assert that I don't suffer from racism..


If you and your wife have experienced racism then I won't make assumptions about how you feel. But my point about you using right wing satire to belittle other people's experiences as "made-up or in their heads" is not appropriate.



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05 Feb 2022, 9:37 pm

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Strangely enough, I do suffer from racism - For example, I have had racists (who know nothing about me) online make assumptions about my race, and then use such assumptions to try and belittle me\what I say\as a "reason" to falsy assert that I don't suffer from racism..


If you and your wife have experienced racism then I won't make assumptions about how you feel. But my point about you using right wing satire to belittle other people's experiences as "made-up or in their heads" is not appropriate.


You have your opinioins on the subject, I have mine, others will have their own (some based on personal experience, other merely based upon the persons opinions).

I also noticed the continued emphasis on "right wing" regarding satire, indicating your approval of the use of "left wing" satire to belittle other people's experiences as "made-up or in their heads"... Interesting.



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06 Feb 2022, 12:16 am

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He really could have accomplished this without the big announcement about how it was the intention beforehand. The performative stuff distracts from the result and makes it harder to invalidate certain lines of criticism out of hand, regardless of how unfair they might be.


I really think he should have announced his reasons. If this is his attitude and way of thinking, it's good he let's the public know about it, and doesn't keep it to himself when making these decisions.



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06 Feb 2022, 5:58 am

txfz1 wrote:
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As jobs are in an upswing, I'd say Biden's doing something right.
Perhaps the inflation has more to do with price gouging on the part of business.


C'mon Man, the January report showed 300k jobs lost. Down is the new up?

The February report corrected the January report - there were actually gains in December. In January itself, there seem to have been over 450k jobs gained. Every month of the Biden administration so far has seen employment increase, which is unsurprising after the economy tanked in Trump’s final year.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/busi ... eport.html



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06 Feb 2022, 8:09 am

Just to note: this whole post is off-topic - unfortunately those tags don't seem to handle embedded off-topic tags so I've not used them here.
It is, nevertheless, something I felt should be addressed.

Brictoria wrote:
As I noted in a post earlier today (seemingly accidentally removed by an overly enthusiastic "post deletion fairy" who was removing the personal attack upon myself (which even came with a lovely red border on the left of it) - thankfully both posts were screen-shoted and transcribed prior to deletion.):

What I posted was a link to a satircal site (something which has been publicly ruled by the "site admin" as not requiring any "warning") - I provided no "content", and the linked site makes clear that it is a satirical site, meeting all the restrictions the "site admin" has applied regarding satirical content.

Off Topic
I'm not sure what sort of person would accuse another, who posts something in good faith, following the rules as defined and having no prohibited content in the post, as having an integrity problem for having done so.


Given the statement that only satirical CONTENT needed a "warning" and that links did not, it is curious that an edit was made to the post, as that what I had posted (and how it was posted) complied with these rules, and so the edit has no reason to be there (and should be removed)... I'd hate to think it was added for any other reason than that whoever made the edit was unaware of the "site admin"'s rules on links such as was included in the post.
Your frequent sour implications of something less-than, implications of hidden dubious motives, your carefully constructed back-handed attacks, your use of snarky quotes - are all incredibly triggering. I fact, you only need add "You'll never amount to anything" to complete an accurate online portrayal of my domineering, demeaning, father.
He died some years ago but the wreckage caused is both present and raw.

I removed my post because it was made as an emotional reaction, not as a considered response, and took your clinical analysis of it along for the ride.

But why should you care so long as you're free to make these sly, demeaning comments; you know the content addressed to you privately as well as I do.

If you want to continue with this then do so via PM.
I will remove any further discussion of it attempted here.


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Listen Very Carefully

Listen Very Carefully

Listen Very Carefully

Black Lives Matter

Black Lives Matter

Women's Lives Matter

Women's Lives Matter

Gay Lives Matter

Gay Lives Matter

Transgender Lives Matter

Transgender Lives Matter

PERHAPS THIS IS JUST AN ECHO
CHAMBER YET

NEVER
THE
LESSS

Hear the Messages if You Can And Will;

Better Yet, Actually Corroborate the Messages WITH
LITERALLY 'AFFIRMATIVE ACTION' LIKE RONALD REAGAN

DID WHEN HE PROMISED TO APPOINT A FEMALE AS SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE AND FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH SANDRA DAY O-CONNER

AND IN THE CASE OF TRANSGENDER LIVES MATTER PROVIDING THEM THE
RIGHT TO BE CALLED THE PRONOUN THEY SO DESIRE IN CANADA THE WAY
OTHER RIGHTS OF THE MARGINALIZED ARE PROTECTED IN SOME COUNTRIES NOW...

AS THEY GET SOME RESTROOM RIGHTS IN THE UNITED STATES TO GO PEE AND DO NUMBER 2...

Perhaps i Will Leave the All Caps Out for A While And Remember What the Obama
Administration Did for my Relatives Who are Gay And Have The Rights Afforded
For Marriage Now That Are Much Farther Reaching Than Just A Basic Human Nature
Given Right to LOVE Who You Want to Love Mutually And Consensually Now FOR REAL.

Oh Yeah And Don't Forget Sick and Disabled Lives Matter too As Without Obama
Care So Many Sick And Disabled Lives WOULD LITERALLY GO AWAY WITHOUT
ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE MEDICAL CARE THAT THEY NOW ACTUALLY DO HAVE
NOW, Including My Sister too who Was Able to Retire in Her 50's This Way Instead of 60's

With the Ability
to Purchase
Accessible
and Affordable
Health Care in Retirement
Before Autism Burn-out and
the Such took Her Down Almost
Dead As Alive for 66 Months too...

And Why Does Critical Race Theory Matter; Yes, to Bring Light to the Long History
of Systematic Racism in the United States And So My Great Nephew Who Is Fully Black
Who Is Married to my Mixed African American Great Niece Will Raise His Children my

Great Great
Nieces and
Nephews Who
One Day May Not
Be Profiled For Being
Black Driving An 'Upper Class'
Car through a 'Middle Class' Neighborhood;

Yes, Being Pulled Over Late At Night in that Car
in that Neighborhood Working 80 Hours a Week to
Support His Family Treated Like the Scum of the Earth Just

For the Color

of His Skin in a
Nice Neighborhood
And A Super Nice Car...

Yes, There Are Extremes in Social
Justice And being So-Called Woke
to the Injustices Still Done to the Marginalized

In Our Country; Yet the REALITY IS THOSE INJUSTICES

STILL OCCUR AND THE REALITY IS LITERAL 'AFFIRMATIVE'

ACTION THAT FOLKS CANNOT HELP YET HEAR AND LISTEN TO

LIKE THE ASSERTION MADE PUBLIC AFTER A CAMPAIGN PROMISE

TO APPOINT A BLACK WOMAN AS SUPREME COURT JUSTICE WHEN

A SLOT CAME

AVAILABLE

SO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY
WOULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE
PHRASE BLACK LIFE MATTERS AND

SEE THAT IT IS NOT ONLY A PEJORATIVE
PHRASE LIKE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND WOKE

YET A FRIGGING REALITY NOW IN THE UNITED
STATES AND NOT THE USUAL LIP SERVICE WITH NO ACTION...

YES,

BLACK LIVES MATTER NOW
WOMEN'S LIVES MATTER NOW
GAY (LGBQ) LIVES MATTER NOW
TRANSGENDER LIVES MATTER NOW
SICK AND DISABLED LIVES MATTER NOW

HAPPY DAMN SUNDAY THEY'VE ALMOST
BROUGHT 'JESUS' BACK TO LIFE IN THE UNITED STATES

NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT BUTT HURTS FOX NEWS AND

ITS
CHRISTIAN
CHURCH GENERAL
EVANGELISTIC AUDIENCE HEHE...

And Others of Course Who
Just Get Off on an Argument
As Science Shows Some Humans
Are Literally Addicted to the Dopamine
And Adrenaline That ALL CAPS BRING...

In Other World News This Week Trump
Asserted He Had the Right to Overturn
A Free Representative Democratic Election
Through Directions Given to His Vice President then;

The Vice President Reported HE WAS WRONG, WRONG,
WRONG, THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT BELONGS TO 'THE PEOPLE'...

In Other World News This Week Remember 'Bridge Lives Matter too'
And An Infrastructure Bill Was Passed by the Biden Administration to Save
Bridge

Lives
And the
Such too...

OH Yeah, And that Economy
Thingy, 6 MiLLioN Jobs Created
Now Under the Biden Administration;

And Let's Face FACTS OF A Pandemic That Lasts
Two Years And A Supply Chain That Gets Broken
And Demands That Get Higher Than Supply And

Prices Go UP;

Common Sense
Two Plus Two Equals Four

And That's Not Anyone's Fault
Yet The Damn Math And Common Sense...

Yet Of Course in A Nation of Addiction to Capitalism;
Yes Consumerism As Money and Stuff Becomes 'God' And

50 Percent of Folks Who Make Tween 50 And A 100 Thousand
Dollars Live Pay-Check to Pay-Check; And Oh Lord, Even those
Who Make Over A Hundred Thousand Dollars in the Upper Middle
Class in Terms of 40 Percent As Per Recent Study, Live Pay-Check to Pay-Check.

The Problem(s) Is Pervasive
And Deep in the United
States So It Doesn't

Take Much for
Folks to Get Butt Hurt
in this Environment and Get Mad at 'The Man'...

Anyway, Any Culture or Group is Only As Great
As They Treat the Marginalized Folks in the Group;

Just Like in the Wolf Pack and the Important Role
The Omega Wolf Plays for the Alpha Wolf to Understand

His Place

to Take Care
of the Last
Same As First
if the First Wants
to Continue to F in Exist...

Have A Damn HeART or At
Least Borrow one from a Story, HeHe...

FINAL NOTE: TRUMP FAILED AS HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND HIS PLACE.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: ENTIRE COUNTRIES FALL/FAiL, IF THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND

THeir PLACE...

Not Much
Different
Than 'The Wolf Pack'...

Someone has to Pick up 'the Ball' and ''HOWL"...

"Lone Voices in the Wilderness, All That Jazz"...

Do Note: This Topic is Extremely Wide and Deep as An Ocean Waves

See
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