11 Feb 2023, 5:56 pm
11 Feb 2023, 6:52 pm
ToughDiamond wrote:
I doubt that there is any unassailable truth, but relatively speaking it seems as valid as anything might be for somebody to be pretty sure that they never agreed to be born. The alternative would be to put what looks like an undue weight onto an extraordinary assertion that doesn't have extraordinary evidence to back it up. The only thing I can think of to support the notion is that it can't be disproved. It seems suspicious that we can't remember asking to be born though, if we did ask. And a world in which near-impossible things were often turning out to be true would likely be even harder to cope in than the real world is.
It is an unassailable Truth that I consider life a catastrophic tragedy.
"Where there is life there is suffering."
11 Feb 2023, 7:28 pm
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11 Feb 2023, 9:11 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
I agree with Twilight. There is MUCH beauty in the world. Even in places where people go through a lot of struggle.
And I agree with the skunk in that there are untold atrocities in the world and that has always been the case where there was sentient life.
And since there is no inherent meaning in life, there is no rational reason to procreate other than a selfish one.
Emotionalism is not recognised in this here courtroom.
So sayeth the judge.
11 Feb 2023, 9:19 pm
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11 Feb 2023, 9:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
As did everyone else that has ever been, is in existence, and will be?
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
There's no need for that, because there is no real impasse here - we have just once again reached the limits of your reasoning abilities and imagination.
Much religious thought embraces the idea of reincarnation, in whole or in part - the idea that we come back again and again to mortal life and perhaps choose to do so, each time losing our memories. Such an idea, to my knowledge, is untestable and therefore unknowable on this side of the veil - so you must accept that this or some system like it might be true in whole or in part.
Much like the simulation hypothesis I brought up last time, there is no way for us to know if we live in a perfect simulation or whether we are "real". This world might even be a video game for bored immortals to waste time in, a game that blocks their previous memories as the play. How would you know?
11 Feb 2023, 10:01 pm
Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As did everyone else that has ever been, is in existence, and will be?
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
There's no need for that, because there is no real impasse here - we have just once again reached the limits of your reasoning abilities and imagination.
I am plenty creative.
The problem here is that I am engaging in rational consideration rather than fantasy.
Mikah wrote:
Much religious thought embraces the idea of reincarnation, in whole or in part - the idea that we come back again and again to mortal life and perhaps choose to do so, each time losing our memories. Such an idea, to my knowledge, is untestable and therefore unknowable on this side of the veil - so you must accept that this or some system like it might be true in whole or in part.
You may have missed this little detail:
Mikah wrote:
Much like the simulation hypothesis I brought up last time, there is no way for us to know if we live in a perfect simulation or whether we are "real". This world might even be a video game for bored immortals to waste time in, a game that blocks their previous memories as the play. How would you know?
Rational ppl have a problem seriously considering the existence of "Invisible Friends".
I used to believe in Santa Clause.
Some believed in the Tooth Fairy.
Others believed in Fairies at the bottom of the garden path.
The belief in Storks bringing babies and Cabbage Patch Kids was in vogue at one time.
Perhaps we should investigate these "hypothesises" also.
11 Feb 2023, 10:02 pm
Mikah wrote:
Pepe wrote:
As did everyone else that has ever been, is in existence, and will be?
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
Does one not need a functional brain to make a choice?
At the point of conception, this was missing, or am I missing something, pun intended?
How can you expect me to take you seriously when you say something like that?
How can ANY rational person take what you said seriously?
I think it is time to bring out, you guessed it, "Let us agree to disagree".
There's no need for that, because there is no real impasse here - we have just once again reached the limits of your reasoning abilities and imagination.
Much religious thought embraces the idea of reincarnation, in whole or in part - the idea that we come back again and again to mortal life and perhaps choose to do so, each time losing our memories. Such an idea, to my knowledge, is untestable and therefore unknowable on this side of the veil - so you must accept that this or some system like it might be true in whole or in part.
Much like the simulation hypothesis I brought up last time, there is no way for us to know if we live in a perfect simulation or whether we are "real". This world might even be a video game for bored immortals to waste time in, a game that blocks their previous memories as the play. How would you know?
I've never been terribly bothered by the idea of the world being simulation. Even if it is, it's real enough to me. If my friends and family are all simulation, they're just as much simulation as me, and I still love them. If I had the option to leave this simulation, I would refuse, because there are people in this simulation who are relying on me in various ways. Since I care about them, I would stay.
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11 Feb 2023, 10:09 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’ve had some horrible experiences, but I still wouldn’t say that I wish I had never been born.
That is a "wee bit" extreme
What do you mean?
I was agreeing with you
You were?
I could have sworn...
"Doesn't madda..."
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