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24 Jan 2024, 2:24 am

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Consentual or not, it cannot be performed before 18. Either be friends or be in romance but you will not f*****g consent to sex before 18! It's unacceptable!


I understand that it's unacceptable to you, but how does that matter? It's clearly acceptable to society.

What I struggle to understand is how criminalizing sex acts between minors benefits a society in any way, especially when you intend on treating it more severely than most other crimes. Even if the laws already made criminal prosecution an option, how does ruining kids lives over normal developmental behaviour benefit anyone?

It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:30 am

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Is it safe to assume then that under-aged teenagers are having more sex than you?
They are fools. I don't care if it was consent. It's human evil to have sex below 18.
Upon what do you base your version of morality?
That underaged sex is evil. I consider the age of 18 as the most acceptable given its worldwide usage. Anything below 18, consentual or not is against the cause of a prosperous human society.
You are saying that underage sex is evil because underage sex is evil.  That is called "Circular Logic".  Upon what do you base your concept of 'Evil'?


Isn't this coming from a guy who supports a religion that literally tends to declare boys who are 13 and girls who are 12 as adults by hosting ceremonies called "Bar and Bat Mitzvahs".

Another thing I find icky is the account of Rabbi Joseph regarding the case of a three-year-old girl being raped and saying how it's ok if the rapist was Jewish but punishable by death if he isn't Jewish.

Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility.

Source: The Talmud (M.Nid. 5:4)

And then you have Rabbi Hiyya with his preposterous claim that instead of three years old, it should be nine years old and one day. So children young as 9 under the Jewish law would be legally raped. And no, I am not being an anti-semite or anything but the fact that you are trying to accuse me of "violating human rights" while you support the theory that in Judaism, girls under 9 should be raped is ironic.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:31 am

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It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.
Here's a thought: A random 18-year-old virgin concludes that if he could not have sex as an under-aged teenager, then no one can. Another random male reaches the conclusion that 18-year-old virgin males must be provided girlfriends (i.e., "Sex Slaves") by their governments.

I have to wonder (a) what their morality is based upon, (b) what medications have they been prescribed, and (3) what planet do they live on?



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24 Jan 2024, 2:32 am

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Consentual or not, it cannot be performed before 18. Either be friends or be in romance but you will not f*****g consent to sex before 18! It's unacceptable!


I understand that it's unacceptable to you, but how does that matter? It's clearly acceptable to society.

What I struggle to understand is how criminalizing sex acts between minors benefits a society in any way, especially when you intend on treating it more severely than most other crimes. Even if the laws already made criminal prosecution an option, how does ruining kids lives over normal developmental behaviour benefit anyone?

It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.


Punishments will be more strict and severe for every possible crime, not just rape. It is beneficial to society that the human rights of children are protected from pedophilia and underaged intercourses in general because it yields NO positive result. Only PTSD and unwanted pregnancies! That's like trying to legalize incest just because it was "consentual".


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24 Jan 2024, 2:35 am

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Uuuuh, most teenagers are hooking up these days and have for literally generations.

That alone is reason enough for society in general to reject this entire concept of government matchmakers.


And they can do that but sexual intimacy is to be prohibited for any underaged individual! It will only increase cases of PTSD and unwanted pregnancies among the teenage population. Best if they have a restricted form of intimacy such as hug and kiss.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:37 am

@Yugoslav1945: Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?

Please stop evading the question, and please stop attacking those of us who ask questions of you.



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24 Jan 2024, 2:40 am

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It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.
Here's a thought: A random 18-year-old virgin concludes that if he could not have sex as an under-aged teenager, then no one can. Another random male reaches the conclusion that 18-year-old virgin males must be provided girlfriends (i.e., "Sex Slaves") by their governments.


1. I don't want an increase in cases of PTSD and pregnancies among the underaged population. This is literally the weakness of the liberal (left and right) system because liberals value freedom but have trouble trying to explain what should be regarded as freedom because of things like these.

2. The assumption of slavery under MAROF is idiotic. This isn't a system to satisfy a god damn man, it is supposed to create equal opportunities for everyone who didn't have a chance in relationship, regardless if they're men or women. All men and women under MAROF would hold hands and show smile and joy as they are protected from harm's way.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:44 am

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@Yugoslav1945: Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?

Please stop evading the question, and please stop attacking those of us who ask questions of you.


Alright. You wanna hear my standards?

1. Sex is allowed if you're 18 years or older.
2. Unprotected sex is prohibited for people who are 40 years or older due to the increased risk of unhealthy babies as a result of aging (the menstruation cycle for women will stop at around 45)
3. Everyone is equal
4. Dating preferences are allowed and that means that I want a neurodivergent girl who is like-minded and I will have it provided to me whether I can do it for myself or create a state socialist institution to sort it out.
5. Religions are tolerated as long as they are not promoting bigotry against other religions or groups
6. Education is free for all
7. Healthcare is free for all
8. Be responsible for yourself and the community around you
9. Know Your Justice
10. Work hard and Work Smart


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24 Jan 2024, 2:44 am

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Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.
Here's a thought: A random 18-year-old virgin concludes that if he could not have sex as an under-aged teenager, then no one can. Another random male reaches the conclusion that 18-year-old virgin males must be provided girlfriends (i.e., "Sex Slaves") by their governments.
1. I don't want an increase in cases of PTSD and pregnancies among the underaged population. This is literally the weakness of the liberal (left and right) system because liberals value freedom but have trouble trying to explain what should be regarded as freedom because of things like these.
I understand not having unwanted pregnancies among under-aged people, but how does this relate to avoiding Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?
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All men and women under MAROF would hold hands and show smile and joy . . .
Or else . . . what?



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24 Jan 2024, 2:46 am

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@Yugoslav1945: Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?

Please stop evading the question, and please stop attacking those of us who ask questions of you.


Alright. You wanna hear my standards?

1. Sex is allowed if you're 18 years or older.
2. Unprotected sex is prohibited for people who are 40 years or older due to the increased risk of unhealthy babies as a result of aging (the menstruation cycle for women will stop at around 45)
3. Everyone is equal
4. Dating preferences are allowed and that means that I want a neurodivergent girl who is like-minded and I will have it provided to me whether I can do it for myself or create a state socialist institution to sort it out.
5. Religions are tolerated as long as they are not promoting bigotry against other religions or groups
6. Education is free for all
7. Healthcare is free for all
8. Be responsible for yourself and the community around you
9. Know Your Justice
10. Work hard and Work Smart
I did not ask for a listing of your draconian standards; I asked, "Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?"

Please stop evading the question.



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24 Jan 2024, 2:47 am

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I understand not having unwanted pregnancies among under-aged people, but how does this relate to avoiding Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?
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All men and women under MAROF would hold hands and show smile and joy . . .
Or else . . . what?


1. Sexual assault can lead to PTSD. Don't you know that victims live a life in fear of being raped and often have a bad time trying to adjust to their friendly partners because of the past experience?

2. Just let them hold hands! Is that too much to ask?


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24 Jan 2024, 2:48 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Consentual or not, it cannot be performed before 18. Either be friends or be in romance but you will not f*****g consent to sex before 18! It's unacceptable!


I understand that it's unacceptable to you, but how does that matter? It's clearly acceptable to society.

What I struggle to understand is how criminalizing sex acts between minors benefits a society in any way, especially when you intend on treating it more severely than most other crimes. Even if the laws already made criminal prosecution an option, how does ruining kids lives over normal developmental behaviour benefit anyone?

It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.


Punishments will be more strict and severe for every possible crime, not just rape. It is beneficial to society that the human rights of children are protected from pedophilia and underaged intercourses in general because it yields NO positive result. Only PTSD and unwanted pregnancies! That's like trying to legalize incest just because it was "consentual".


I'd say contributing to healthy development is a significant net benefit.

Meanwhile I'm sure the way you'd address teenage intimacy won't ruin any lives, whether through PTSD or irrationally harsh legal penalties. Destroying people's lives to protect them is still destroying people's lives.

Your comment about incest is just a non-sequitur.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:50 am

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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@Yugoslav1945: Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?

Please stop evading the question, and please stop attacking those of us who ask questions of you.


Alright. You wanna hear my standards?

1. Sex is allowed if you're 18 years or older.
2. Unprotected sex is prohibited for people who are 40 years or older due to the increased risk of unhealthy babies as a result of aging (the menstruation cycle for women will stop at around 45)
3. Everyone is equal
4. Dating preferences are allowed and that means that I want a neurodivergent girl who is like-minded and I will have it provided to me whether I can do it for myself or create a state socialist institution to sort it out.
5. Religions are tolerated as long as they are not promoting bigotry against other religions or groups
6. Education is free for all
7. Healthcare is free for all
8. Be responsible for yourself and the community around you
9. Know Your Justice
10. Work hard and Work Smart
I did not ask for a listing of your draconian standards; I asked, "Upon what have you based your standards of morality and evil?"

Please stop evading the question.


Ah. I read the question again. So what I based them off is what I have experienced. I was taught that sex is only for 18 and above. I was taught to respect other cultures cause I was born in a multi-cultural town (sadly no LGBT in it much). I was taught about the great things Tito did unlike other commie cowards such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and the Juche leaders cause communism is not about killing millions of people to satisfy yourself but to show generosity to your people and see your communist state prosper because of your kindness.

So you see, these that I have developed from my traditional socialist family have helped me build my own variant of Marxism-Leninism.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:51 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I understand not having unwanted pregnancies among under-aged people, but how does this relate to avoiding Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
All men and women under MAROF would hold hands and show smile and joy . . .
Or else . . . what?
1. Sexual assault can lead to PTSD.
Consensual sex is not sexual assault.
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
2. Just let them hold hands! Is that too much to ask?
In the real, physical world, yes.



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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I understand not having unwanted pregnancies among under-aged people, but how does this relate to avoiding Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
All men and women under MAROF would hold hands and show smile and joy . . .
Or else . . . what?


1. Sexual assault can lead to PTSD. Don't you know that victims live a life in fear of being raped and often have a bad time trying to adjust to their friendly partners because of the past experience?

2. Just let them hold hands! Is that too much to ask?


1) You redefining consensual sex acts as assaults doesn't make them assaults.

2) Yes, given the piss poor justifications given so far, and the terrible consequences you seek to impose if they won't acquiesce to your request, that is too much for the state to ask and any politician who seeks to impose such policies can be considered unfit without any further information being required.


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24 Jan 2024, 2:52 am

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Consentual or not, it cannot be performed before 18. Either be friends or be in romance but you will not f*****g consent to sex before 18! It's unacceptable!


I understand that it's unacceptable to you, but how does that matter? It's clearly acceptable to society.

What I struggle to understand is how criminalizing sex acts between minors benefits a society in any way, especially when you intend on treating it more severely than most other crimes. Even if the laws already made criminal prosecution an option, how does ruining kids lives over normal developmental behaviour benefit anyone?

It seems petty and vindictive; and as though the concept of privacy isn't something that's ever occurred to you before.


Punishments will be more strict and severe for every possible crime, not just rape. It is beneficial to society that the human rights of children are protected from pedophilia and underaged intercourses in general because it yields NO positive result. Only PTSD and unwanted pregnancies! That's like trying to legalize incest just because it was "consentual".


I'd say contributing to healthy development is a significant net benefit.

Meanwhile I'm sure the way you'd address teenage intimacy won't ruin any lives, whether through PTSD or irrationally harsh legal penalties. Destroying people's lives to protect them is still destroying people's lives.

Your comment about incest is just a non-sequitur.


The judicial system needs to be reformed and taken very seriously. And yes, we need to contribute to healthy development and the only way to do that is punish crimes in a more serious manner to make criminals fear the law once again and not wander off too early from their cells. The police is being too kind and too corrupt. We need an anti-corruption purge immediately and we must make the death penalty legal again so that less criminals and more safety for everyone.


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