911 issue: I wonder, what do majority of American ppl

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Oh, now we're bringing in the Illuminati and New World Order.

Now, let me ask: if these people really have such absolute power over all media and all governments, would anyone actually know about it? Why are they taking so long in this plan of theirs if they control everything?

Dude, if the NWO and Illuminati are so sinister, why the hell haven't they sent assassins, or at the very least lawyers, after the people that warn everyone about them?

There is not enough in the world for conspiracy theorists.

Uhh, I didn't say they had ABSOLUTE power, but THAT is exactly what they seek.. why do you get fed up when I bring a legitimate fact to the table?.. im not gonna stop talking about something unless people all decide that it is real, which they have not.. instead you'd rather label me a conspiracy loon, which is laughable to me. Im not the one who's being fooled.

And no, a society that massive cannot keep a secret, how can you say it can?.. there's millions of ways to learn about the illuminati, via journalists who want to expose the truth, historians who learn facts and work their way to the present, which is an effective method, and of course ex-illuminati people such as John Todd.

Im sorry but that is too funny.. LAWYERS?.. the fact that you think they need lawyers makes me laugh.. they use judges in fact, not lawyers.
Lawyers dont have the power that a judge has.

And if they go after every person that speaks out about the Illuminati then that is a very stupid move, isnt it?.. especially when they are well known, and it would bring more attention to the public.. 90% of the time they are not directly threatened because it would only raise questions.. the public can only remain ignorant while the ones in power dont let the people like me bother them.. which is why the only real way to defeat them is to get the mass to agree they exhist, not just a minority while the mass remains ignorant.

And they have sent assassins after people.. but most of the time they arent famous people, therefore would be a bigger deal..

John Todd: missing

William Cooper: asassinated..

and Aaron Russo, im not sure how he died, but he would have been a target because he was highly influential, he made a movie called Freedom to Fascism.. he probably died of natural causes but he seemed healthy to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELBUCqzX2vw

You remind me of snake32

What legitimate fact are you referring to? All you've brought up are vague speculations and unfounded accusations. I've yet to see any well-supported statement of fact.


So no entertaining the possibility that your views are wrong?


Who am I being fooled by? I'm not the one who bases his political and historical ideas off YouTube videos, Alex Jones, and whatever other tin-foil-clad Internet bloggers you follow.

The Illuminati is LONG DEAD. They disbanded in the late 1700s. The only way they could be controlling anything is through really amazing technology.

Russo died of cancer, even Alex Jones doesn't think that was a massive conspiracy. I've seen Freedom to Fascism. It included much less detailed specific analysis than I would have liked for such a long movie.

Re resemblance to snake: Nah, this one has a much tamer view of conspiracism than snake321, the greatest king of conspiracy theorists ever to grace this forum.

that's really funny, since controlling things through amazing technology is exactly what they're doing..

and They did not disband in the 1700's, they went underground, there is a difference.. they stopped publically calling themselves the Illuminati and probably still don't.. they call themselves many other things, but the Illuminati is an easy way to relate to them, people know what the illuminati is.

can you explain that last comment, im afraid i dont understand.. are you saying im not as big of a conspiracist as someone as a way to make me feel small?

No, not at all. snake321 was once a prolific poster here with some very bizarre views. He took conspiracism so far that no one even bothered to argue with him- we just let him intersperse his theories throughout PPR and they were just far too absurd to even bother refuting. Actually, he basically required a coordinated conspiracy going back to before the dawn of civilization that continues still today. Even most conspiracy theorists are controlled by the grand conspiracy, and so forth. It was quite amusing at times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc
this isnt major just to give you an example of how the illuminati control the major news networks, straight from the victims mouths (about 10 minutes or less)


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0918&hl=en
this is a (69 minute) interview with Aaron Russo, who had a friendship with Nick Rockefeller for a time, and has great insight into the gangster bankster American government. Nick Rockefeller and friends you'll learn more about below. This video may take a while to load but its worth it.. maybe keep it loading while you watch other ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRrr4Gpz2E
good youtube (10 minutes) on the implant chip and North American Union


ok heres the first series of videos ill show you of John Todd a former Illuminati member, who became christian. Its a tape recorded stand in front of an audience, explaining his experience and knowledge of the Iluminati.. you dont have to watch the whole series but i recommend it to get the full spectrum.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DerUFYMExS8
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FOuCHS ... re=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcqeVP39 ... re=related
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPKoV5el ... re=related
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDoyJvAV ... re=related
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN4VPFWm ... re=related
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koHdMRk1 ... re=related
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3NRZAfI ... re=related
now, that will take a while to get through.. so I hope you like to research! that's about (80 minutes)


Ok here's a 5 part series on the Bilderburg group, which is important.. I believe this is a high sector of the Illuminati, which is in fact an ancient term.. no one calls themselves Illuminati anymore, and it is so compartmentalised that you really cant find the top, only speculate.. but it seems obvious.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OQh7msCE4I
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkc9DQPH ... re=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVvOorFc ... re=related
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO96Kpuh ... re=related
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqRcsHS ... re=related
you'll have to excuse the quality on these ones. (50 minutes)?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dtVm9- ... re=related
This one is a little side trip, its about Bill Clinton and it was hard to find again, its (10 minutes) and its about his involvement is drug drealing... and he seemed so nice..?


This is another series called Octopus 9-11, and it's about the World Trade Center coverup.. its the best series ive found to date, be patient with it. I think it runs for (90 minutes)
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ8Pd7wHWyQ
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuGTHnxH ... re=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKWlrom ... re=related
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4dt-UkeXsQ
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uR9JUHw ... re=related
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFx71Q4T ... re=related
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrlvILGw ... re=related
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzR48Wb4 ... re=related
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWLv12s7 ... re=related
This series is great at opening your eyes to the media lies, and government evil.. and the kinds of tactics that they use.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HY0aCmZ ... re=related
This is just one fragmant of a large series, giving a little insight into the royal bloodline (illuminati), and describes how they use imbreeding. (10 minutes) And speculates on the new antichrist.


Okay, so here's another Alex Jones supreme moment with David De Rothschild on a radio talkshow.. its a 5 part series, about (45 minutes or so).. This is a great one to see just how manipulative the Rothschild family can be. And Learn about false global warming here.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuNLahhZFJ0
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnofms6H ... re=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7x_SBXI ... re=related
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzy6O-uR ... re=related
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLOnQZG ... re=related

yep, thats right, my main source is youtube.. Im not saying it isnt also filed with garbage, it is.. but the simple fact is that some of the videos are very good education. I like videos that arent spoonfed by main media outletts.



no, considering most of the people that stand up to the 'conspiracy ideas' just seem to care less, or seem shortsighted.. not because they know more.. ive yet to have someone give me knowledge that has swayed me one way or another.



Well youtube is a much more credible source, because most of the time it comes from credible people. . in other words, you base your views off of main media outletts which by my standards is controlled by a toxic society, and I base my views off of an internet site where normal people can submit legitimate theories and factual stories.

You're being fooled by the toxic society.. hmm thats a good word for it.

skhfjsakhfdsaijdfs NO NO NO.

True, some people like Alister Crowley started secret societies that were inspired in part by the Illuminati, but the Illuminati itself does not exist anymore.

sorry darling, but it does.. *sigh*

The Illuminati doesn't exist anymore, old sport. You have nothing to fear.

(edited for clarity)

Last edited by Delirium on 31 Aug 2008, 9:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There are plenty of things to fear. The Illuminati are not one of them.