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06 Oct 2008, 3:29 pm

He made the assumption that we said we were prophets.


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06 Oct 2008, 3:48 pm

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Here's a Bible quote for you: ..


Thank you.. thank you.. I love Bible quotes.. :-)

John the Apostle wrote:
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."


Yes.. you are so right.. I mean God is sooo right.

I mean.. Oh dear.. you.. God..... what's the difference (sigh).


Anyway.. on a more serious note..

It is interesting how the Throne symbol in Revelation.. makes a connection.. to the Book of Isaiah..

It's not easy to miss.. I'm sure the pope will confirm this.

My reasoning is.. if.. a Spirit is coming from God's Throne.. then it must be from God......... symbolically speaking.. of course.


(("but test the spirits to see whether they are from God"))

So.. would these bible verses.. pass the test.. I wonder..?

Will they get a M.O.T.

(He asks.. hopefully)

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"And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb as though it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which eyes mean the Seven Spirits of God that have been sent forth into the whole earth."

"And out of the throne there are proceeding lightnings and voices and thunders; and there are seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, and these mean the Seven Spirits of God."

Book of Revelation 5:6 & 4:5

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Then.. returning to my original point..

Could the Spirit of Loving kindness.. Righteousness.. Justice.. Wisdom.. Peace.. Truth.. and freedom.. be the same Seven Spirits of God.. that proceed from God’s Throne (symbolism).. ?

Aside from the symbolism.. speaking in more general terms... do they proceed from the human heart.. ?

(metaphorically speaking.... NOT the organ that gives you heart attacks)..;-)

Do they represent our core human values.. ?

Those - highest - (or even supreme) values that we hold in our hearts.


Taking into consideration what the Book of revelation is saying..

The Spirits of God.. Isaiah most closely associates.. with the coming of Christ… are again.. associated with the Throne symbol..

This is not a coincidence……. there - IS - a connection.

Between what Isaiah is saying.. and the Book of Revelation.

((“there are seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, and these mean the Seven Spirits of God”))

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"And in Loving kindness a throne will certainly be firmly established; and one must sit down upon it in Trueness in the tent of David, judging and seeking Justice and being prompt in Righteousness. We have heard of the pride of your rulers, that they are very proud; their haughtiness and their pride - their empty talk will not be so."

"Righteousness and Judgment are the Established place of your Throne; Loving-kindness and Trueness themselves come in before your face."

Isaiah 16:5 & Psalms 89:14



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If so, then your god speaks through you with his own knowledge and wisdom..


Isn’t this is what "God" is saying.. ?

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"And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jesse; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful. And upon him the Spirit of God must settle down, the Spirit of Wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of mightiness, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of God."


"I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the Spirit of the Truth, he will guide you into all the Truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming. That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you. All the things the Father has are mine. "

"Here I am bringing up for her a recuperation and health.. and I will heal them and reveal to them an abundance of Peace and Truth."

Isaiah 11:2 + John 16.12 + Jeremiah 33:6

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06 Oct 2008, 4:20 pm

^ So, are you saying that every time I park my carcass on the "Throne", I'm having a revelation and not a bowel movement?


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06 Oct 2008, 6:56 pm

Fnord, you won't get the kind of meeting you have in mind. Or then again, maybe you will. God lives and works through all people. You've probably already met a great many of His representatives and didn't realize it.



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06 Oct 2008, 6:57 pm

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^ So, are you saying that every time I park my carcass on the "Throne", I'm having a revelation and not a bowel movement?


Depending on what you ate ...



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06 Oct 2008, 7:04 pm

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Fnord, you won't get the kind of meeting you have in mind. Or then again, maybe you will. God lives and works through all people. You've probably already met a great many of His representatives and didn't realize it.

I've met a lot of people who claimed to be His representative, yet they all acted like independent agents.


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06 Oct 2008, 7:05 pm

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Fnord wrote:
^ So, are you saying that every time I park my carcass on the "Throne", I'm having a revelation and not a bowel movement?


Depending on what you ate ...


How many Jesus wafers do I have to eat to have a holy shit?


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06 Oct 2008, 7:07 pm

^^ Oh, that's baaaaaad, dude!

I gotta remember it... :wink:


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06 Oct 2008, 7:13 pm

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slowmutant wrote:
Fnord, you won't get the kind of meeting you have in mind. Or then again, maybe you will. God lives and works through all people. You've probably already met a great many of His representatives and didn't realize it.

I've met a lot of people who claimed to be His representative, yet they all acted like independent agents.


It's possible to have autonomous free will and choose to be an agent (follower) of God, you know.



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06 Oct 2008, 7:15 pm

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slowmutant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
^ So, are you saying that every time I park my carcass on the "Throne", I'm having a revelation and not a bowel movement?


Depending on what you ate ...


How many Jesus wafers do I have to eat to have a holy shit?


Holiness would not come out of you no matter what you ate.



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06 Oct 2008, 7:18 pm

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Fnord wrote:
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Fnord, you won't get the kind of meeting you have in mind. Or then again, maybe you will. God lives and works through all people. You've probably already met a great many of His representatives and didn't realize it.

I've met a lot of people who claimed to be His representative, yet they all acted like independent agents.

It's possible to have autonomous free will and choose to be an agent (follower) of God, you know.

You missed my point, so I'll re-write it:

I've met a lot of people who claimed to represent God, yet they all acted as if they represented only themselves.


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06 Oct 2008, 7:19 pm

You missed my point.



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06 Oct 2008, 7:21 pm

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You missed my point.

Not at all. I simply adjudged it irrelevant as a reply to my statement.


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06 Oct 2008, 7:24 pm

If you don't want to listen, why do you ask?

You ask just to hear yourself talk.



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06 Oct 2008, 7:31 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
^ So, are you saying that every time I park my carcass on the "Throne", I'm having a revelation and not a bowel movement?


Depending on what you ate ...


I concur.. :-)

What do you think.. Dr SM..

Should we prescribe a diet of scrolls.. to ease the patient's bowl movements.. ?

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“And I went away to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me: "Take it and eat it up, and it will make your belly bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey."

And I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it up, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I had eaten it up, my belly was made bitter.” - Revelation 10:9


WARNING...

To ALL literalists..

Do not try this at home..

Eating scrolls may damage your health.

First talk to your doctor..

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“Upon hearing this Jesus said to them: "Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but those who are ailing do. I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners."

Mark 2:17

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06 Oct 2008, 9:16 pm

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To claim that you can visualize an infinite number of dots in your imagination indicates you are either delusive or lying. There is no other choice. That you may be able to manipulate infinity mathematically is something altogether different but religious enthusiasts are not speaking mathematically when they speak of experiencing infinity. They are kidding themselves.


Which begs the question: How much information(in terms of bits) can the human brain represent and store? A computer cannot represent an infinite quantity in memory because that world require an infinite amount of space. So in order to visualize an infinitude of dots your brain would require infinite storage capacity.