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Thanks Bella.

Anyway I don't want to get involved with long complicated debates since there is no purpose nor is it my objective (or even within my power) to change your mind. I came to this thread to say only that the bible is not responsible for the disgusting acts commited by 'Christians.' It instead very clearly teaches against such things and people's actions are due to ignorance. That's all. Now I will take my leave from this thread.

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Yes? Oh .. than just tell me where spend Jesus - according to the gospel - the night before the Sermon of Montain and what was the first point to make in this sermon? How Judas died?



For example the nice rule that it is allow to sell the daughter into slavery (Exodus 21, 7).



We do not know the contens of the new testament. The scientific literature is full of investigation regariding the variation in the Greek text, which must be on its own either an addition or a translation from Aramanic. The current theory is that the gospels are the result of editing compiling of older sources which are lost. In so far the incosistence of the gospel are no big surprise.

You're right, the OT, which is part of the Bible, tells people to kill other people, however it does it to the jews and not to the christians, the issue is that the same God of the OT is suppose to be of the NT, who is the one who mandated to kill.


Well, if the NT states that Christians don't have to follow mosaic law anymore, that could have been, and it was, taken as actually dismissing or corrupting the OT, and I do wonder wether or not the jews were actually right about rejecting the entire NT as part of the canon.


well, that's a good question actually, considering different interpretations within different denominations.

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This thread is about ME becoming a christian.

Exactly WHAT sort of christian?

Jesus saving me because he died on the cross for ME.

Well then, are you catholic, protestant, or orthodox?
If you are protestant are you sectarian or non-sectarian("Born Again")?
Might I add, it was NOT you who started this thread so how can you claim that its about YOU specifically?

I am neithier. I refuse to be labelled. I am just christian.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

I am not into catholicism.

Well then I have my answer . I guess you're a nonsectarian protestant. If you were orthodox Im sure you'd say so.

I am not into religion. I don't understand anything about it. Except most of them are cults. i am not protestant. I am not orthodox. I just want to be born again christian.

the bicycle metaphor starts around 5:30 (part one).

i LOL'd

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I loled. At the start of the bicycle thing, the first thing I thought of was about the Koran. That its meaning and "spirit" comes alive when it is read orally...and in Arabic. That it isn't really supposed to be translated or read as one reads a novel.

Everything goes back to the Baha'is for me. Some of the main points of the Faith are those of education and the "independent investigation of the truth." They have education programs set up all over the world, especially in developing countries, not to spread the Faith(as we're not allowed to proselytize), but to rid the world of the corruptibility that comes from not having an education. They have a database of every major spiritual text available for free. Also, there's no clergy or even any sort of position that could lead to corruption in the Faith.

Perhaps we need to define 'contradiction.' For instance, if I have a non-christian holy text which says to both love your parents and hate your parents, is that a contradiction?



To name a few,
- The books of Enoch
- The Testament of Abraham
- Judith
- Susannah
- Esther - excluded passages
- Psalm 151 - excluded passages



In other words, the translation I'm reading and the translation you're reading ... contradict each other.

And unless we are to have this discussion in Greek, neither of us is reading the original, and presumably 'correct' translation.

How a man under reign of Tiberius could know anything about you (or me)? And so how he could die for you or me?