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14 Feb 2009, 1:48 pm

This thread is indeed quite interesting, entertaining:P and even a learning exerience I believe. Something that strikes me as odd is how the owner of that site came here to argue his position and so, I mean, the site seemed like just another site in the vast internet with nothing to do with Wrongplanet, invitation?

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14 Feb 2009, 1:53 pm

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The site owner evidently checks his traffic logs and saw that there was a considerable bit of traffic coming to his site from WP and decided to come over and talk about it.

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14 Feb 2009, 1:58 pm

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Show me your God, or admit that you can't.

Demanding that anyone give you physical evidence of a non-physical being, is irrational, and merely exposes your desire to remain your own god, and not submit to the real God.

Besides, as much as you would like God to answer to you, He does not answer to me.

And I thought God was supposed omnipotent: Meaning that God can do ANYTHING-including produce physical evidence of his existence despite being nonphysical........... :roll:

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14 Feb 2009, 2:52 pm

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Awesomelyglorious wrote:

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php

What do you think of the argument put forward by this site?

Pathetic

Very, very, very pathetic. I think I just lost half of my brain cells.

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14 Feb 2009, 3:50 pm

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The problem is that everything the site offers is black and white and very simplistic.

Material atheists always think this way. Their worldview is far more simplistic than the Christian worldview.

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14 Feb 2009, 4:02 pm

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The problem is that everything the site offers is black and white and very simplistic.

Material atheists always think this way. Their worldview is far more simplistic than the Christian worldview.

And much more in touch with reality. According to the Christian worldview the Earth is about 6000 years old. The vast, vast, vast weight of empirical evidence from many sciences implies an age of billions of years. If you want to understand reality, you should look and measure. If you want to feed your faith, read the bible, preferably in a literal manner.

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14 Feb 2009, 4:05 pm

I am not a YEC, ruveyn. Not all Christians are YECs or OECs for that matter.

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14 Feb 2009, 4:11 pm

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The problem is that everything the site offers is black and white and very simplistic.

Material atheists always think this way. Their worldview is far more simplistic than the Christian worldview.

Really? If you try to understand quantum mechanics, protein interactions, etc. that will end up with concepts far beyond in their complexity any of the theological writings. If you try to understand what reality is really is, how we develop out model of the world, how refine this model with empirical observation, you will see it is much more complex process than just saying "It's God's work."

If need to understand which behaviour is right or wrong for own, need to understand which philosophic concepts are helpful or just wrong you have a much more complex process than just looking up the bible (or in the Catholic case reading the papal encyclicas).

An atheist is aware about the complexity of live and that there are no simple answers. A Christian (and almost al religious people) provide just unprovable simplistic answers to complex questions.

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14 Feb 2009, 4:14 pm

According to material atheism, I am just a walking meat-sack whose only real destiny is to breed and die. In other words, I live a purposeless life.

That's material atheism and it sounds pretty simplistic.

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14 Feb 2009, 4:17 pm

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If you can't formulate a goal for yourself, you are a lazy feckless person. A clever person can think of a thousand purposes to which he can put his wit and strength to work. Find something useful to do, and you will have a purpose.

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14 Feb 2009, 5:07 pm

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According to material atheism, I am just a walking meat-sack whose only real destiny is to breed and die. In other words, I live a purposeless life.

No - you had to give your live the purpose you think if fit. Instead of getting a purpose "out of the box" and "one size fits all" you had to develop your own place in life. This is a much more complex task.

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14 Feb 2009, 5:40 pm

I have always had a bit of envy for people who have a purpose. Sometimes I feel I have a function..but purpose?

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14 Feb 2009, 6:07 pm

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I have always had a bit of envy for people who have a purpose. Sometimes I feel I have a function..but purpose?

With the issue related to God and religion, I sometimes envy believers, I come to think that their faith and belief system may be positive for them and give them purpose in life, wether that is true or false, seems to be irrelevant in the end, nevertheless, I believe to be unable to make myself believe in something just like that, like if it was a choice, at least currently. Although our psychology is quite interesting, and given that, the possibility of strong unbelievers converting is quite there.

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14 Feb 2009, 6:20 pm

Well said, Greenblue. I would have to concur from my own personal perspective, but there seems to be non-believers here who also have a purpose.

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14 Feb 2009, 8:11 pm

Everybody needs something to believe in.

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14 Feb 2009, 8:33 pm

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Everybody needs something to believe in.

Indeed. Most people believe that the world revealed to and by their senses exists independently of them.

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