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03 Jun 2009, 3:05 am

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

that is true ... also god made the tree of good and evil and we ate the fruit. though this is a metaphor.

I have a relationship with god.. now a few grenades... what about religious experiences and toungues.. I have had both :?:

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03 Jun 2009, 3:24 am

Is there a god?

No, there is no tangible evidence of any "supreme being" floating around with the intentions of either damning people or giving them hope of the everafter. As for death, that is it...you are no more. At least, that is what I assume happens after you die.

To quote the sad figure in The Raven reflecting on the death of his wife, "Nevermore"...

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03 Jun 2009, 3:28 am

^ but you agree with the oncomming of the age of aquarius?

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03 Jun 2009, 3:51 am

^No, but I've always been fascinated by astronomy and astrology. Anything to do with stargazing. BTW, my zodiac sign is in Aquarius in case anyone's interested... :wink:

I don't really see astrology as a cult or organized religion having to do with "god". And no, I'm not a big believer in it although I do think it has its own benefits that wouldn't be exactly categorized in how most people percieve it. But I love anything outside the norm and have fun with it...I even study mythology. Yeah that probably makes me a bit of an outcast in this forum among other things.

Is that so bad?

Perhaps at heart, I am a true pagan! :santa: :afro:

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03 Jun 2009, 4:07 am

I was intereseted thats all.. and you show aquiaus traits.. I am a great believer in astrology

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03 Jun 2009, 2:45 pm

KarmicPyxis wrote:

...and the rationale for the absolutism of atheism versus agnosticism rests on the fact that leaving the door cracked open ever so slightly admits entrance of an entire universe of irrationality (or, for those who prefer to remain rational, rational insanity)...a universe in which I may spontaneously turn into a piano, a whale, or a geranium or...? The possibilities under such conditions are endless because their potentiality is predicated upon having not been disproven: "Just because you haven't turned into a piano yet doesn't mean that you wouldn't or won't if we wait long enough..."

Such things are always possible. No amount of finite observation can yield to a limited being a universal about an external world. However, even taking a slightly more stringent view of what people are allowed to believe to conform with a practical view of the world, depending on our definition of God, the hypothesis that God exists yields no practical difference, so I see no practical distinction between the models. What grounds can you deny permissibility of belief on, other than you don't like it?

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03 Jun 2009, 3:01 pm

scorpileo wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

that is true ... also god made the tree of good and evil and we ate the fruit. though this is a metaphor.

Read your scriptures more carefully. It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In short, eating the fruit made it possible for humans to make moral and ethical distinctions. It is a mythical way of saying that humans became aware and knowing beings rather than instinct driven like the beasts.

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03 Jun 2009, 3:26 pm

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ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

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03 Jun 2009, 3:42 pm

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

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ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

Where is this story found in the Bible?

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03 Jun 2009, 6:23 pm

twoshots wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

Where is this story found in the Bible?

what the story is that Satan, the light bringer, asked god why the son of the whore of babel was gonna be king of heaven when the angels, the faithful servants, were not. God, pissed at someone DARING to question him, cast Satan into hell.

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03 Jun 2009, 7:55 pm

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I will admit from the get go that I know very little about this part of Abrahamic mythology. But the Satan story you relate sounds reminiscent of the Islamic account (which seems inadmissible); the only support I can fall for Satan as a fallen angel in the Bible is the Isaiah quote relating to Lucifer. The Jewish Encyclopedia gives no earlier identification of the Lucifer story with Satan than several apocrypha not included in the Christian canon (although the book of Enoch was considered important in early Christian times, and early Christian philosophers clearly made the identification). The details of the Lucifer story are furthermore quite sketchy as they are there presented, and it thus seems quite ambiguous. If the story is present in the New Testament, I am not aware of it (though I have no real reason to be).

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03 Jun 2009, 9:33 pm

KarmicPyxis wrote:

Someone indeed can tell me that tomorrow at 11:58 AM I'll turn into a pair of burning walruses. At that point I'll very likely be advising them to put their pants back on and step away from the E & J with their hands up. "You'll turn into a piano!! !" isn't something that you'll have most people lining up to subscribe to, you won't have most people even signing on to a webcast to watch someone to see if they've turned into a piano yet. There is such a thing as the marketplace of ideas where, like capitalism, it sinks or swims on its own merits.

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04 Jun 2009, 2:55 am

ruveyn wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

that is true ... also god made the tree of good and evil and we ate the fruit. though this is a metaphor.

OK .... (sighs) but if you don't know about goood or evil nither can be comited... also translations vary.

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04 Jun 2009, 3:17 am

scorpileo wrote:

OK .... (sighs) but if you don't know about goood or evil nither can be comited... also translations vary.

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04 Jun 2009, 11:10 am

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

But did God not make Satan? And also, does God not know everything? So God knew prior to making Satan that all the future events would occur.

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04 Jun 2009, 4:00 pm

Is this just another religion thread?

Yes. Another pseudo-intellectual attempt to get e-cred. These things are so common they could be used as currency.

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