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08 Jul 2009, 1:29 pm

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My sources (angels and aliens) tell me that reincarnation is a trap that the evil gods who created this world fool us into believing. When we die we see the white light and such but it's all a ploy by the evil aliens and evil gods to trick us into coming back so we can create more emotions for those blood sucking drug addict aliens to feed off of. Luckily the humans have devised a defense against this by willing the evolutionary powers to transform mutants (autistic people) into not allowing them (evil aliens) to continue this emotion sucking because these new and improved humans do not feel emotions. However, the aliens are on to us and are currently learning how to control the situation via mind control and demonic possession.

:D * jackass smiling*


That was too funny. I about laughed my head off. Thanks! :lol:



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08 Jul 2009, 1:38 pm

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y'know Ruveyn, scientific dogma doesn't help us discover new interactions or anything.


There exists (at present) no evidence for any other than the four basic forces or interactions.

The Standard Model of Particles and Fields accounts for all non-gravitational interactions observed and predicts to twelve places of precision. The General Theory of Relativity accounts for all known gravitational interactions.

If there are other fields or interactions there is no evidence for them.


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08 Jul 2009, 1:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:
phil777 wrote:
y'know Ruveyn, scientific dogma doesn't help us discover new interactions or anything.


There exists (at present) no evidence for any other than the four basic forces or interactions.

The Standard Model of Particles and Fields accounts for all non-gravitational interactions observed and predicts to twelve places of precision. The General Theory of Relativity accounts for all known gravitational interactions.

If there are other fields or interactions there is no evidence for them.


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OK so it doesn't exist in our current known scientific fact? I like to think it doesn't exist or it does exist. I am open to either possibilty. What about the zero-point energy that affected McKay in Stargate? Could we argue that this was the Akashic Field as well?



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08 Jul 2009, 2:05 pm

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In science FICTION, there has to be some artistic license...

Yes, but in SCIENCE fiction, it would be nice if the "science" meant something other than technology being carte blanche for nonsensical plot devices. Not that I don't enjoy soft scifi stuff occasionally (what I saw of the first season of Eureka was quite entertaining), but real (that is, hard) scifi is hard to come by these days, so the genre seems to have degenerated into little but nonsense and space operas.

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What about the zero-point energy that affected McKay in Stargate? Could we argue that this was the Akashic Field as well?

Umm. How?


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08 Jul 2009, 2:13 pm

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In science FICTION, there has to be some artistic license...

Yes, but in SCIENCE fiction, it would be nice if the "science" meant something other than technology being carte blanche for nonsensical plot devices. Not that I don't enjoy soft scifi stuff occasionally (what I saw of the first season of Eureka was quite entertaining), but real (that is, hard) scifi is hard to come by these days, so the genre seems to have degenerated into little but nonsense and space operas.

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What about the zero-point energy that affected McKay in Stargate? Could we argue that this was the Akashic Field as well?

Umm. How?


In Stargate a piece of Ancient Tech affected McKay, made him evolve and almost ascend. As for how, I don't know really, but I read that the Field is a zero-point energy.

Can you please list some hard Sci-Fi I might want to read? I'd like to know your examples of hard and soft sci-fi.



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08 Jul 2009, 2:50 pm

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phil777 wrote:
y'know Ruveyn, scientific dogma doesn't help us discover new interactions or anything.


It is not dogma. It is sound physics based on 300 years of solid evidence gathering.

Physics is founded, first and foremost on empirical evidence, not on new age woo woo.

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WoW. 300 years is a long time to gather up all the information in the universe. :roll:

I need to watch this show now. It sounds interesting.


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08 Jul 2009, 3:07 pm

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No such thing. We know of only 4 interactions in nature:

1. electromagnetic
2. weak force
3. strong force
4. gravitational


Reality consists of particles and fields in space-time. There is nothing else.

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Hmmmmm , well at the present time there is simply nothing else that we can observe empirically. But what we are talking about isnt really about matter or even energy, its about Informaton :!: The concept of the Akashic hall of records raises a critical question: Does information obey the 1st law of thermodynamics? And what happens to information on the quantum level...... :?:



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08 Jul 2009, 3:24 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
No such thing. We know of only 4 interactions in nature:

1. electromagnetic
2. weak force
3. strong force
4. gravitational


Reality consists of particles and fields in space-time. There is nothing else.

ruveyn

Hmmmmm , well at the present time there is simply nothing else that we can observe empirically. But what we are talking about isnt really about matter or even energy, its about Informaton :!: The concept of the Akashic hall of records raises a critical question: Does information obey the 1st law of thermodynamics? And what happens to information on the quantum level...... :?:


...and what a sublimely exquisite question it is, Zornslemma



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08 Jul 2009, 3:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
phil777 wrote:
y'know Ruveyn, scientific dogma doesn't help us discover new interactions or anything.


It is not dogma. It is sound physics based on 300 years of solid evidence gathering.

Physics is founded, first and foremost on empirical evidence, not on new age woo woo.

ruveyn


ruveyn,
We already know you don't approve of new age woo woo, as you call it. But some of us enjoy it. Aspiewriter has asked us to speculate on the Akashic Field, a wonderful topic for those of us less scientifically inclined. Will you please just let us do that without judgments that we lack empirical precision and the like?.....unless you want to relate scientific facts in a positive way to the new age woo woo.

Science can, at times, be very dogmatic and closed-minded.



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08 Jul 2009, 3:46 pm

Scientism is an ideology. It's pretty fixed. Science fiction is about imagining possibilities in undiscovered science. If you take out the idea that what we know so far about reality is just a faulty human perception then the angles open up more and so do the possibilities. I've always preferred fantasy more because it's frustrating when there are gaps in the logic which so often occur in science fiction. To adhere to the guidelines of science as we know it makes for some hum drum fiction I think. Unless the person is dreaming and then it goes into the fantasy realm again. I don't like really hard to believe fantasy though. Anyways, who cares what I like...

Isaac Asimov predicted many discoveries and he was a creative writer, not a scientist.


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08 Jul 2009, 4:15 pm

I absolutely adore sci fi and fantasy novels. And when I had tv, watched as much sci fi as I could. Battlestar Galactica was one of my favs.



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08 Jul 2009, 5:01 pm

I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own!


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08 Jul 2009, 5:20 pm

Zornslemma wrote:
Hmmmmm , well at the present time there is simply nothing else that we can observe empirically. But what we are talking about isnt really about matter or even energy, its about Informaton :!: The concept of the Akashic hall of records raises a critical question: Does information obey the 1st law of thermodynamics? And what happens to information on the quantum level......


No law of thermodynamics has been falsified in quantum theory.

Thermodynamics is about energy not about information.

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08 Jul 2009, 5:32 pm

Is this the same thing that is supposed to make remote viewing work? While the concept of ether is long out of sytle, space is still much viewed as empty. I think it is possible it is not. This reminds me of something I read some time back, The Connectivity Hypothesis , which sought to link consciousness with physics. It was a little out there for my taste, but no stranger than string theory in my view. Something an old member once wrote inspired me to read it. I am kind of missing them at the moment...



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08 Jul 2009, 5:32 pm

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Isaac Asimov predicted many discoveries and he was a creative writer, not a scientist.


Isaac Asimov got a PhD in chemistry from Boston University. It turned out that he liked writing ScFi but he was trained and educated as a scientist.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

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08 Jul 2009, 6:03 pm

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In science FICTION, there has to be some artistic license...

Yes, but in SCIENCE fiction, it would be nice if the "science" meant something other than technology being carte blanche for nonsensical plot devices. Not that I don't enjoy soft scifi stuff occasionally (what I saw of the first season of Eureka was quite entertaining), but real (that is, hard) scifi is hard to come by these days, so the genre seems to have degenerated into little but nonsense and space operas.


IMO the last "hard" scifi was written in the 1970s. I would consider the new Battlestar Galactica that ran on cable until a year or two ago to be a rare example of hard scifi after the 70s. Most scifi today, especially the televised stuff, seems to revolve around special effects, with CGI jocks competing to make the most awesome looking effects. It seems that telling a story that makes sense comes secondary.

Even The X Files gradually stopped making sense after the first couple seasons. I think that the GREGOR concept had potential, and in my mind I imagined GREGOR stories that were similar to the vampire lit that's so popular now, except they would be more cerebral. I think that the second tier writers on The X Files totally blew the potential of the concept. Other than that? Bah, it's just junk, and cool looking stuff that exists for its own sake.

Honestly, can you really imagine a novel similar to A Canticle For Leibowitz being successful nowadays? That sort of depth simply doesn't fly today. Most novels seem to revolve around lawyers and political conspiracies, with plenty of sex and nonsensical plot twists to keep the sheep enthralled. Most people don't even read the novels, they just carry them around to look cool. Here in Sacramento the central library must waste MILLIONS of scarce dollars buying dozens of copies of the hottest novels, simply so that dumb NT state workers can look cool carrying around the latest novel.