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26 Jul 2009, 2:24 am

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It seems the Israeli's teach that Palestinians are not human. So, it shouldn't matter if a few of them die, no?


It seems ?
I was raised and educated in Israel and was never taught that Palestinian are not human,
On the contrary,
From an early age we were visiting nearby Palestinian villages and hosting Palestinians kids in return,
we were raised to respect any one no matter what color or race or nationality he was
we were also educated to respect the truth
which is something you and most anti Israeli people never bother to consider.

the education system in Israel never taught that Palestinians are not human
we've been taught about the complexity of the conflict and the mistakes that were made
ours,and the pal's
it seems that u are a liar and hate monger like most of the bad,uninformed,self righteous people who knows nothing about anything


Well then, if Israelis have this wonderful respect for Arabs then their total disregard for the rights and lives of the Arabs under their control puts an interesting light on how the Israelis feel about treating other human beings in general.



Sure,
Israelis are disgrace to humanity,
Like most self righteous Europeans u conveniently ignore the territorial dispute and nationalistic struggle which is the background to our troubles on order to smear an entire nation,
in my dictionary u r simply a racist and on of the worst kind as u are also an hypocrite who doesn't have the balls to admit and stand behind what u really are/



BTW
we respect are minorities much better than the way your people respect yours despite the fact that that your minorities doesn't threaten your existence



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26 Jul 2009, 2:37 am

nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:
nara44 wrote:
RageBeoulve wrote:
It seems the Israeli's teach that Palestinians are not human. So, it shouldn't matter if a few of them die, no?


It seems ?
I was raised and educated in Israel and was never taught that Palestinian are not human,
On the contrary,
From an early age we were visiting nearby Palestinian villages and hosting Palestinians kids in return,
we were raised to respect any one no matter what color or race or nationality he was
we were also educated to respect the truth
which is something you and most anti Israeli people never bother to consider.

the education system in Israel never taught that Palestinians are not human
we've been taught about the complexity of the conflict and the mistakes that were made
ours,and the pal's
it seems that u are a liar and hate monger like most of the bad,uninformed,self righteous people who knows nothing about anything


.



Sure,
Israelis are disgrace to humanity,
Like most self righteous Europeans u conveniently ignore the territorial dispute and nationalistic struggle which is the background to our troubles on order to smear an entire nation,
in my dictionary u r simply a racist and on of the worst kind as u are also an hypocrite who doesn't have the balls to admit and stand behind what u really are/

Well then, if Israelis have this wonderful respect for Arabs then their total disregard for the rights and lives of the Arabs under their control puts an interesting light on how the Israelis feel about treating other human beings in general

BTW
we respect are minorities much better than the way your people respect yours despite the fact that that your minorities doesn't threaten your existence


I lived in Israel for two years and know something about what is going on. I am also well aware of the history and growth of Zionism and how it was promoted and what its aims have been and are. I am no lover of the frightful Muslim traditions and the brutal culture it sustains. But I am also aware of the Jewish people and how they have lied to themselves over their expulsion of Arabs from their own land and of the callous attitude of many Israeli soldiers who have recently testified as to the culture of brutality fostered towards the Arabs. The Recent war in Lebanon in which anti-personnel bombs were randomly dropped throughout the whole country for no reason except sadistic brutality is a disgrace to the centuries long Jewish traditions of humanitarianism. It is the Israelis who have become non-Jews in the full sense of disdaining the long Jewish humanitarian heritage.



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26 Jul 2009, 3:11 am

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The Recent war in Lebanon in which anti-personnel bombs were randomly dropped throughout the whole country for no reason except sadistic brutality is a disgrace to the centuries long Jewish traditions of humanitarianism. It is the Israelis who have become non-Jews in the full sense of disdaining the long Jewish humanitarian heritage.



No reason except sadistic brutality ?
Israel made mistakes in this war but even u couldn't ignore the fact that it was Lebanon who initiated it,
Believe u me,
I live on the Lebanon border and was very lucky to escaped death
by the way I'm a civilian , who woke up one morning to the sound of Lebanese rockets exploding in my street
the use of cluster bombs was the results of the IDF failure to stop the constant rocketing of Israeli civilians by the Hezbollah
when u fail at pinpointing the launchers u switch to statistical weopens
Compare to Israel the USA and Nato are barbarians in such matters and have much worst record than us despite the fact they were never under similar and immediate threats like we do,
yet u have no problem in denouncing our humanity,no less,based on our actions in a war we did everything to avoid
in the north
like in the south
we took silently years of total disregard to human and international laws
tell u the truth it is very difficult to take people like you seriously when u were so silent during years of the constant rocketing of Israeli civilians
and from a land that Israel withdraw from,
doing exactly what u and me think is the right thing to do
dismantling settlement and pulling it's army back unconditionally
Israel did it in Gaza and in Lebanon and it was the right thing to do
I myself took my part in raising the voice that promoted this moves
and what we get in return ?
War crimes,of the worst kind,not statistical, but an admitted targeting of civilian population
I wonder where your voice was then
Probably because u don't consider us human u don't think we deserve an honest chance of living,
u know,this sentiment is also part of our heritage,as too many aspies knows,being human could lead to your loosing your life
especially in a world populated by people like you/



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26 Jul 2009, 3:33 am

nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:
The Recent war in Lebanon in which anti-personnel bombs were randomly dropped throughout the whole country for no reason except sadistic brutality is a disgrace to the centuries long Jewish traditions of humanitarianism. It is the Israelis who have become non-Jews in the full sense of disdaining the long Jewish humanitarian heritage.



No reason except sadistic brutality ?
Israel made mistakes in this war but even u couldn't ignore the fact that it was Lebanon who initiated it,
Believe u me,
I live on the Lebanon border and was very lucky to escaped death
by the way I'm a civilian , who woke up one morning to the sound of Lebanese rockets exploding in my street
the use of cluster bombs was the results of the IDF failure to stop the constant rocketing of Israeli civilians by the Hezbollah
when u fail at pinpointing the launchers u switch to statistical weopens
Compare to Israel the USA and Nato are barbarians in such matters and have much worst record than us despite the fact they were never under similar and immediate threats like we do,
yet u have no problem in denouncing our humanity,no less,based on our actions in a war we did everything to avoid
in the north
like in the south
we took silently years of total disregard to human and international laws
tell u the truth it is very difficult to take people like you seriously when u were so silent during years of the constant rocketing of Israeli civilians
and from a land that Israel withdraw from,
doing exactly what u and me think is the right thing to do
dismantling settlement and pulling it's army back unconditionally
Israel did it in Gaza and in Lebanon and it was the right thing to do
I myself took my part in raising the voice that promoted this moves
and what we get in return ?
War crimes,of the worst kind,not statistical, but an admitted targeting of civilian population
I wonder where your voice was then
Probably because u don't consider us human u don't think we deserve an honest chance of living,
u know,this sentiment is also part of our heritage,as too many aspies knows,being human could lead to your loosing your life
especially in a world populated by people like you/


not much unlike the sound of rockets that explodes for years down south where very typically


There were plenty of opportunities for Israel to have avoided the Lebanon conflict but the Israelis were well prepared before to incidents which ignited the conflict to invade Lebanon for internal political purposes. The deaths of the UN observers on the border by Israeli bombardment were totally inexcusable. If you want to compare the Israeli casualties to the Palestinians to see the relative threat see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

The abandonment of Gaza disguised as a humanitarian exercise can only be compared to the isolation of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the resultant total oppression of the Palestinians in isolating them from all the basic necessities they require to exist. That they should resist with a few primitive rockets is rather understandable.

You cannot tell someone, Israeli or Palestinian, who has lost a child, a wife, or any other family member that these deaths are not horrible but there is no doubt that the rather invincible Israeli forces distribute death in Gaza inexorably and hugely out of proportion to the number of Israelis killed and injured.



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26 Jul 2009, 3:57 am

Did anyone actually watch those youtube clips at the beginning? With the giant mouse singing about how (Allah willing) the world would be won for Allah, starting with the middle east?

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. It certainly doesn't show kids shows with giant puppets singing about world domination and how God demands they crush their enemies.

Why has nobody paid attention to the content of the videos?

By the way... when the series came to an end, a sad announcer told the kids that Farfour was "martyred" for Allah... and there were quite a few kids who phoned up in tears vowing vengeance on the Jews.

Seriously, does nobody see that there's a big problem in the way people are being brainwashed over there... and nobody's reporting it?



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26 Jul 2009, 3:59 am

mgran wrote:
Did anyone actually watch those youtube clips at the beginning? With the giant mouse singing about how (Allah willing) the world would be won for Allah, starting with the middle east?

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. It certainly doesn't show kids shows with giant puppets singing about world domination and how God demands they crush their enemies.

Why has nobody paid attention to the content of the videos?

By the way... when the series came to an end, a sad announcer told the kids that Farfour was "martyred" for Allah... and there were quite a few kids who phoned up in tears vowing vengeance on the Jews.

Seriously, does nobody see that there's a big problem in the way people are being brainwashed over there... and nobody's reporting it?


To base your understanding of the situation on a bad piece of propaganda is not particularly wise.



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26 Jul 2009, 4:05 am

Palestinian children do not need giant puppets to tell them that Israelis, even Jews, are the enemy... the Israelis accomplish this task themselves, certainly those working in an official capacity.



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26 Jul 2009, 4:50 am

Sand wrote:

There were plenty of opportunities for Israel to have avoided the Lebanon conflict but the Israelis were well prepared before to incidents which ignited the conflict to invade Lebanon for internal political purposes. The deaths of the UN observers on the border by Israeli bombardment were totally inexcusable. If you want to compare the Israeli casualties to the Palestinians to see the relative threat see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

The abandonment of Gaza disguised as a humanitarian exercise can only be compared to the isolation of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the resultant total oppression of the Palestinians in isolating them from all the basic necessities they require to exist. That they should resist with a few primitive rockets is rather understandable.

You cannot tell someone, Israeli or Palestinian, who has lost a child, a wife, or any other family member that these deaths are not horrible but there is no doubt that the rather invincible Israeli forces distribute death in Gaza inexorably and hugely out of proportion to the number of Israelis killed and injured.


those are very weak arguments and the fact that they are used over and over is a and indicator to the real motives behind u so called humanity
Every army is and should be well prepared to as many eventualities as possible
I'm sure no one in his right mind would consider the fins preparedness to Russian invasive as an aggression (why do u have an army in the first place is beyond me as no one is threatening u)
Israel indeed took many opportunities to avoid this conflict
opportunities that no country in the world would take as no country,even not your country ,would tolerate years of aggressions against it civilians with no retaliation
well,
Israel did,
but i guess that understandable and is expected of us because we are inhuman and as such it is our obligation to take the blows quietly,sorry but sometime we forget our place in history and react like we are actual human beings,with rights and all.

the argument of proportion is stupid and inhuman,war is not a child game,everyone gives it the best he could,
if Israel wanted to kill as many Palestinian as it could there were not many left
i can assure u that if the Palestinian were the stronger side most of us would be dead
Israel used it Superior power and tech to eliminate collateral damage as much as it can while your friends doesn't even recognizes the term
for them everyone a target
if Israel would fire rockets directly into Gaza would you consider that proportional ?
if the number of death would be equal would u consider us to be human ?
should we fight with one hand tied to let the pal's equal chances ?
do u thin war is a child game?
i bet u do






The deaths of the UN observers on the border by Israeli bombardment is excusable but since u have no clue as u never saw or participate in an actual battle u have the freedom of the ignorant,
did u know that most of the Israeli casualties in the last Gaza conflict were by so called friendly fire
Troops killing their own unit are very common in most battlefields so the mistake of hitting a third party is totally understandable as unfortunate as it is,
if u r implying that we have no problem in killing are own because we are inhuman i'll let u know that othr armies are "good" at that or as much as we do


the Gaza situation is very much unlike the situation of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto because the Jews in the ghetto didn't fire rockets into German populations
the Jews in the Ghetto weren't treated by the best German hospital and doctors
the Jews in the Ghetto didn't bombed the crossing each time they were opened to let supply in
the Jews in the Ghetto didn't kidnapped a germane and held him with no access to the red cross
the Jews in the Ghetto didn't swear on the destruction of Germany though they had much better reasons to do so than the pal's
The German didn't provide electricity and food to the Jews in the ghetto while your friends there are rocketing the same power station that provide them with power/
the Gasans aren't rounded for termination like the Jews
unlike the Jews they receives support by countless agencies around the world
a support they could use to build an open,productive society
they choose violence instead but they are not man enough to stand behaved there choices to the count on phonies like u to help them destroy what ever chance they have for better life and free identity,
i have friends in Gaza,your likes are causing them damage
besides
i don't know the law in your countries but in any civilized country u would be thrown to jail as an holocaust denier



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26 Jul 2009, 5:30 am

This site nicely describes the kind treatment of Palestinians by Israelis.

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.ns ... ort-260609

This article might also give interesting insight into Israel in Gaza.

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07212009.html

Incidentally, Your wild accusation of me being a Holocaust denyer (which, of course, is an absolute lie) is an interesting indication that you are about to descend into McCarthyite emotional tactics and perhaps ties you to the official Israeli propaganda machine policy of accusing any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. A rather nasty and stupid effort to emotionally overwhelm any realistic discussion of a distressing matter.

Since I am not a Finn you will have to direct your nonsense in some other direction.



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26 Jul 2009, 5:59 am

Sand wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07212009.html

Incidentally, Your wild accusation of me being a Holocaust denyer (which, of course, is an absolute lie) is an interesting indication that you are about to descend into McCarthyite emotional tactics and perhaps ties you to the official Israeli propaganda machine policy of accusing any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. A rather nasty and stupid effort to emotionally overwhelm any realistic discussion of a distressing matter.
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If u are equating the Gaza situation to the Jews situation in the Ghetto u r an holocaust denier,
BTW
the settlers also like to make the same comparisons as they were expelled from their homes so like u they consider the israeli government a Nazi like regime
that why i consider them to be an holocaust deniers like you(this is definitely not the official Israel propaganda)
which made me realizes for the thou times that extremists from both sides are much more alike than they would like to admit
and extremists,
from the fundamental left like you
or
the fundamental right like the settlers
are basically just a very very very very very simple minded people,
and as such they are the worst enemy of peace and life


your location indicates Finland, i do not know where u r from and i really do not care



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26 Jul 2009, 6:36 am

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No such thing is taught in Israel. In fact there are Israeli citizens who are Palestinian by birth. Also being Jewish is not an absolute requirement for citizenship in Israel. For example there are Christian, Muslim and Jewish Israeli citizens.

Israelis demonize their Muslim antagonists to a much lesser degree than the Muslims demonize Jews (in general) and Israelis (in particular).

Proof: The Israelis have not wiped out the West Bank or Gaza even though it is within their technical capability. Gaza could be nuked to oblivion in a week, but no such thing has happened.

ruveyn



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26 Jul 2009, 8:04 am

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No such thing is taught in Israel. In fact there are Israeli citizens who are Palestinian by birth. Also being Jewish is not an absolute requirement for citizenship in Israel. For example there are Christian, Muslim and Jewish Israeli citizens.

Israelis demonize their Muslim antagonists to a much lesser degree than the Muslims demonize Jews (in general) and Israelis (in particular).

Proof: The Israelis have not wiped out the West Bank or Gaza even though it is within their technical capability. Gaza could be nuked to oblivion in a week, but no such thing has happened.

ruveyn


The Israelis may be brutal but they are not totally insane. Their use of nuclear weapons would indicate a violent brutality only Truman felt qualified to demonstrate and perhaps a grain of common decency still is in effect from the Jewish humanitarian heritage. Evidently you, ruveyn, are in a class with Truman.



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26 Jul 2009, 8:11 am

nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07212009.html

Incidentally, Your wild accusation of me being a Holocaust denyer (which, of course, is an absolute lie) is an interesting indication that you are about to descend into McCarthyite emotional tactics and perhaps ties you to the official Israeli propaganda machine policy of accusing any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. A rather nasty and stupid effort to emotionally overwhelm any realistic discussion of a distressing matter.
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If u are equating the Gaza situation to the Jews situation in the Ghetto u r an holocaust denier,
BTW
the settlers also like to make the same comparisons as they were expelled from their homes so like u they consider the israeli government a Nazi like regime
that why i consider them to be an holocaust deniers like you(this is definitely not the official Israel propaganda)
which made me realizes for the thou times that extremists from both sides are much more alike than they would like to admit
and extremists,
from the fundamental left like you
or
the fundamental right like the settlers
are basically just a very very very very very simple minded people,
and as such they are the worst enemy of peace and life


your location indicates Finland, i do not know where u r from and i really do not care


Your very rapid attack on Finland because you assumed I was a Finn does indicate you care and will use any emotional nonsense like accusing me of being a Holocaust denier. This is an excellent example of your inability to think clearly and without prejudice. Your description of Israeli loving care for the imprisoned people of Gaza shows you are too wacky to discuss the situation with with any degree of intelligence or logic. You are not worth bothering with with your lies and prejudices.



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26 Jul 2009, 8:17 am

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
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No such thing is taught in Israel. In fact there are Israeli citizens who are Palestinian by birth. Also being Jewish is not an absolute requirement for citizenship in Israel. For example there are Christian, Muslim and Jewish Israeli citizens.

Israelis demonize their Muslim antagonists to a much lesser degree than the Muslims demonize Jews (in general) and Israelis (in particular).

Proof: The Israelis have not wiped out the West Bank or Gaza even though it is within their technical capability. Gaza could be nuked to oblivion in a week, but no such thing has happened.

ruveyn


The Israelis may be brutal but they are not totally insane. Their use of nuclear weapons would indicate a violent brutality only Truman felt qualified to demonstrate and perhaps a grain of common decency still is in effect from the Jewish humanitarian heritage. Evidently you, ruveyn, are in a class with Truman.


well,
one thing is certain,
Israel had never used the methods used by the Arabs,Europeans,Americans,Russians,Turks,Chinese,African countries against their minorities and enemies.
despite the fact that we are under much greater and more real threat than those countries.
yet
Israel is considered and treated like the worst country in the world
Partly thanks to hypocrites like you/



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26 Jul 2009, 8:29 am

Sand wrote:
nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07212009.html

Incidentally, Your wild accusation of me being a Holocaust denyer (which, of course, is an absolute lie) is an interesting indication that you are about to descend into McCarthyite emotional tactics and perhaps ties you to the official Israeli propaganda machine policy of accusing any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. A rather nasty and stupid effort to emotionally overwhelm any realistic discussion of a distressing matter.
.



If u are equating the Gaza situation to the Jews situation in the Ghetto u r an holocaust denier,
BTW
the settlers also like to make the same comparisons as they were expelled from their homes so like u they consider the israeli government a Nazi like regime
that why i consider them to be an holocaust deniers like you(this is definitely not the official Israel propaganda)
which made me realizes for the thou times that extremists from both sides are much more alike than they would like to admit
and extremists,
from the fundamental left like you
or
the fundamental right like the settlers
are basically just a very very very very very simple minded people,
and as such they are the worst enemy of peace and life


your location indicates Finland, i do not know where u r from and i really do not care


Your very rapid attack on Finland because you assumed I was a Finn does indicate you care and will use any emotional nonsense like accusing me of being a Holocaust denier. This is an excellent example of your inability to think clearly and without prejudice. Your description of Israeli loving care for the imprisoned people of Gaza shows you are too wacky to discuss the situation with with any degree of intelligence or logic. You are not worth bothering with with your lies and prejudices.



I wasn't attacking Finland but was referring to it army as an indication that training and readiness doesn't prove intent
i thought u r from there as your status indicated and was trying to give u an example which is relevant to you
so u r not a Finn,my bad,so what,the fact that u base your argument on such a little irrelevant honest mistake is a test to your credibility
and i wasn't describing a loving care but a true description of the situation
i was admitting Israel is not the nicest country and we have some really bad and stupid ppl in our government
something u and your like are never capable of
that why your stand and contribution will be always worthless



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26 Jul 2009, 9:21 am

nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:
nara44 wrote:
Sand wrote:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery07212009.html

Incidentally, Your wild accusation of me being a Holocaust denyer (which, of course, is an absolute lie) is an interesting indication that you are about to descend into McCarthyite emotional tactics and perhaps ties you to the official Israeli propaganda machine policy of accusing any criticism of Israel to antisemitism. A rather nasty and stupid effort to emotionally overwhelm any realistic discussion of a distressing matter.
.



If u are equating the Gaza situation to the Jews situation in the Ghetto u r an holocaust denier,
BTW
the settlers also like to make the same comparisons as they were expelled from their homes so like u they consider the israeli government a Nazi like regime
that why i consider them to be an holocaust deniers like you(this is definitely not the official Israel propaganda)
which made me realizes for the thou times that extremists from both sides are much more alike than they would like to admit
and extremists,
from the fundamental left like you
or
the fundamental right like the settlers
are basically just a very very very very very simple minded people,
and as such they are the worst enemy of peace and life


your location indicates Finland, i do not know where u r from and i really do not care


Your very rapid attack on Finland because you assumed I was a Finn does indicate you care and will use any emotional nonsense like accusing me of being a Holocaust denier. This is an excellent example of your inability to think clearly and without prejudice. Your description of Israeli loving care for the imprisoned people of Gaza shows you are too wacky to discuss the situation with with any degree of intelligence or logic. You are not worth bothering with with your lies and prejudices.



I wasn't attacking Finland but was referring to it army as an indication that training and readiness doesn't prove intent
i thought u r from there as your status indicated and was trying to give u an example which is relevant to you
so u r not a Finn,my bad,so what,the fact that u base your argument on such a little irrelevant honest mistake is a test to your credibility
and i wasn't describing a loving care but a true description of the situation
i was admitting Israel is not the nicest country and we have some really bad and stupid ppl in our government
something u and your like are never capable of
that why your stand and contribution will be always worthless


I gather from your use of web abbreviated language you are quite young (perhaps you are among the Israeli kids recruited by the government to harass anyone on the web criticizing Israel). I have seen Israel develop from its beginning and at first I was encouraged that they might bring intelligence and democracy to the area but I was unaware then of the full history of Zionism and I have since learned its beginning and motives and role as a US puppet in the area. I was very surprised to learn about the USS Liberty and the Israeli role in knowingly murdering US seamen as they were helpless in the water. (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... berty.html) I am not particularly fond of Israel anymore and I have good reasons. I am sorry you cannot see what is happening but it is obviously hopeless for me to try to convince you of anything. I wonder what you mean by "you and your like".